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McLaren testing at Kemble // Straight line testing at the Gloucestershire airfield

Published by Mr. C

Pedro de la Rosa straight-line testing at Kemble

On a cold and overcast February morning, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes turned up for a spot of straight line testing at Kemble Airport in Gloucestershire. Pedro de la Rosa was at the wheel of the MP4-24 but managed just a couple of runs on a damp track before the car stalled whilst the man performed what appeared to be a practice start. Pedro was duly towed back to the awning.

Pedro de la Rosa being towed at Kemble

Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a "McLaren have '09 aero problems" rumour.

Four McLaren trucks at Kemble

Maybe the test crew hadn't wound the car up to its maximum, or maybe they were testing something different, but I found the Mercedes engine to be notably quieter than the Renault during a previous test. Aside from the decidedly odd rear wing, which isn't attractive from any angle, the 2009 McLaren was lovely to see up close, although it did look better when running under its own steam.

We also have to say a big thank you to Graham who let us know the Vodafone transporters had arrived. Very much appreciated.




  • The front wheel covers look interesting. What is that framework in front of the left hand sidepod?

  • Cool pics

  • anyone know what this device is?

    and is that a bird??

    it's not related to being towed back home, because it was also present during an earlier successful run. never seen anything like that before. any guesses?

  • and is that a bird??

    That is a bird!!

  • Looks like a load of cables to me....looks like theyveun through the black tubing...

  • anyone know what this device is?

    Mclaren advanced technologies are testing out a perch for aeroplane engines so the birds don't get sucked in ;-)

    Seriously though, I would guess that this device would be used to stabilise the air in a similar way to an endplate or bargeboard, before flowing into the sidepod to measure the maximum airflow through it?

  • That is a bird!!

    why is there a bird?

  • Looks like a load of cables to me….looks like theyveun through the black tubing…

    ** looks like they run through the black tubing.

  • why is there a bird?

    Having a ride. Wouldn't you?

  • Having a ride. Wouldn’t you?

    yes. yes i would :)

  • why is there a bird?

    Unless... it's sitting behind the wheel, so maybe it's measuring the disturbance of the air, perhaps pondering the concept of slipstreaming.

  • Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a “McLaren have ‘09 aero problems” rumour.

    LOL :-D

  • Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a “McLaren have ‘09 aero problems” rumour.

    Didn't you already do that with the "Flow-Vis" thingy?

  • Didn’t you already do that with the “Flow-Vis” thingy?

    Ah-ha! The evidence is mounting.

  • the team tried to hide the f1 car as it passed:

  • mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

  • mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

    Uups.

  • Uups.

    it wasn't me

  • mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

    Mclaren are hacking it to get the picture off!

  • it wasn’t me

    :D

    tis back now.

  • and is that a bird??

    No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

  • No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    noted :D

    i figured it might be an early warning system to check for escaping gasses. bmw have their extra sidepods cutouts, while mclaren sacrifice a bird every time pedalo breaks wind.

  • No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    i figured it might be an early warning system to check for escaping gasses. bmw have their extra sidepods cutouts, while mclaren sacrifice a bird every time pedalo breaks wind.

    Kinda like the Canary in the coal mine?

  • Kinda like the Canary in the coal mine?

    exactly, but this time for the crew in the awning.

    bird goes down... ruuuuuun.

  • No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    The only problem is that pedalo is really busy trying to find the bablefish translation option of Canary to English!

  • final pic:

    the mobil 1 transporter hiding out back.

  • four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding

    Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

  • Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

    Are we not being a bit alarmist here or is it just a slow news day?

  • Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

    you're good at this :)

    also, i would like it noted that the team are sharing the same awning as renault. who says f1 team's can't cut costs?

  • Are we not being a bit alarmist here or is it just a slow news day?

    or we might be joking?

  • also, i would like it noted that the team are sharing the same awning as renault. who says f1 team’s can’t cut costs?

    You mean it's not branded? Wasted opportunity!!

  • You mean it’s not branded? Wasted opportunity!!

    nascar would've.

  • or we might be joking?

    Shhh. GMM'll never fall for it if you say that.

  • or we might be joking?

    Joking? On SPC? Never! :-)

  • Shhh. GMM’ll never fall for it if you say that.

    rats. sorry.

    "mclaren f1 in 2009 fuel problem shocka!!"

    easily fixed :)

  • News just in from GMM: "Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning."

  • News just in from GMM: “Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning.”

    :D

    :D

  • me: 18/02/2009 at 12:24

    anyone know what this device is?

    and is that a bird??

    it’s not related to being towed back home, because it was also present during an earlier successful run. never seen anything like that before. any guesses?

    It looks similar to something we used several years ago when developing the Lola LMP675 car.

    Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

  • Practicing starts seems an odd way to go about solving their aerodynamic/fuel/bird strike problems.

  • Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

    ahh, could well be, cheers.

    i found another interesting one:

    the hole on the left is bigger. the opposite of what we saw in jerez.

  • Practicing starts seems an odd way to go about solving their aerodynamic/fuel/bird strike problems.

    i'm not saying that was absolutely what he was doing, but he pulled to a halt at the start of the runway and then couldn't find drive.

  • Great job, great pics, ME.

    About “aero problems” McLaren didn´t do the same kind of test with the MP4/23 last year in Royal Mahon Flying Club in Menorca, Spain?

  • Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

  • Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

    more likely the dramatic changes to the regulations isn't it?

  • News just in from GMM: “Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning.”

    *looks at you suspiciously*

  • McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    I´m sure.

    REgards

  • I'd love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them - scarbs@scarbsf1.com), I am guessing they are testing to see of the flow off the front wheels correlates to the wind tunnel data.

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

  • more likely the dramatic changes to the regulations isn’t it?

    Just seem to remember the teams doing a lot more straightline testing once upon a time.

  • scarbs: 18/02/2009 at 13:53

    I’d love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them - scarbs@scarbsf1.com), I am guessing they are testing to see of the flow off the front wheels correlates to the wind tunnel data.

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    I know you! ;)

    Shame the spammers went to town on the board you used to have.

  • Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    Formula one always did attract some hot "chicks"

  • Jackie: 18/02/2009 at 14:19

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    Formula one always did attract some hot “chicks”

    *groan* TAXI!

  • *groan* TAXI!

    sniffle sniffle, not going to play this game anymore :(

  • and is that a bird??

    I think someone at McLaren has totally misinterpreted the whole movable wing regulation.

  • McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    REgards

    am sure they will be jorge. if only because they're putting in the hours now.

  • I’d love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them

    sadly we don't have any, scarbs. that shot is it.

    our camera's pretty old and we're not professionals. the weather was overcast and the car was blocked by the support crew.

  • The bird is:

    In a move to implement the cost savings which Bernie has implemented the McMerc engineers are using a bird to determine any vortex's which might induce drag on the new MP4-24.

    It's been determined that regardless of the bird placement the drag coefficient is still rather high and the beatings will continue until the drag coefficient is reduced.

    Git R Done mates!

  • Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

    Good call. I remember Geoff Willis saying that whenever there's a rule change, your wind tunnel correlation goes out the window.

  • Please lets not have any more rumours!! Mclaren's Aero will be fine, I doubt very much a team with their knowledge etc is gonna end up designing a car with aero properties akin to a brick

  • as noted on the autosport forum, there's also some kind of scoop on the underside of the sidepod:

  • Please lets not have any more rumours!! Mclaren’s Aero will be fine, I doubt very much a team with their knowledge etc is gonna end up designing a car with aero properties akin to a brick

    The MP4-19 of 2004 was most definitely a brick. They needed a B car to recover from that.

  • the hole on the left is bigger. the opposite of what we saw in jerez.

    Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

  • Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

    Teams have to keep checking that the results from their wind tunnel and CFD are correct or they end up with a disaster like Renault.

  • Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    i like it.

  • Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    That along with baby KERS is gonna put Max's cost cutting ideas out the window

  • McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    I expect McLaren to be fastest in Melbourne not just on the pace.

  • Clearly teams don't have the amount of ballast they used to have due to KERS so if the fit a bird frame to the car for every kg of lift the birds generate they get a kg of free ballast. Of course pit stops will be longer as they have to fit in bird changes.

  • Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    Suzuka... hmmm...

  • McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    I expect McLaren to be fastest in Melbourne not just on the pace.

    Ditto

    From the majority of the testing news so far it seems McLaren had a slight edge of over the other Jerez runners but I expect to see that continued into Melbourne.

    Big surprise for me is how lame the BMW has been, for all their bullish claims about 2009 being their year the car's hardly set the time sheets ablaze so far.

  • Suzuka… hmmm…

    Two lots of baby KERS?

  • Big surprise for me is how lame the BMW has been, for all their bullish claims about 2009 being their year the car’s hardly set the time sheets ablaze so far.

    BMW have a habit of sandbagging so I wouldn't write them off just yet. Although if I am honest I don't think they had as good a season last year as many people seem to think they did.

  • Toyota are looking very good at the moment. Definitely a dark horse to watch out for.

    1. Timo Glock (Toyota) 1:32.492

    2. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1:32.917

    3. Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) 1:32.993

  • Toyota are looking very good at the moment. Definitely a dark horse to watch out for.

    ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

  • ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

    Now now, one step at a time. Toyota and exciting is a work in progress. ;)

  • Now now, one step at a time. Toyota and exciting is a work in progress.

    :D

  • BMW have a habit of sandbagging so I wouldn’t write them off just yet. Although if I am honest I don’t think they had as good a season last year as many people seem to think they did.

    I defo agree with you, BMW were good in 2008 but I struggle to think of a single race where on pace they were the best team. Kubica deserved a victory but Canada was a lucky win, I want to see them this year win on pace not on luck.

    Going out on a limb here but I really want Nick Heidfeld to get BMW the success they want this year

  • ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

    Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability. Young Glock can't keep up with Trulli though - a mere 132 laps for Toyota today.

  • Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability. Young Glock can’t keep up with Trulli though - a mere 132 laps for Toyota today.

    In Decemeber I randomly joked how I'd bet £10 with someone that Trulli would actually win a race this year. I'm actually starting to wonder back on that, they do seem to be getting the most progress done or so it seems from my point of view, like you said Maverick they may be a dark horse this year.

  • Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability.

    Why do I find that news cheers up my day :-)

  • been digging through anything that might be useful for scarbs, here's a reverse angle which better illustrates the size of the cage:

    a bit grainy and less bird like from there though.

  • Are Toyota testing with KERS? They never seem to mention it.

  • Why do I find that news cheers up my day

    You'll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

  • You’ll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

    Meh. Better it happens now than during the race weekends. :P

  • Why do I find that news cheers up my day

    You’ll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

    It just gets better!!!

    Massa after driving it for the first time (Mugello) said it was really nice and he felt comfortable etc......Now they're in Bahrain and he's had some running under him he's now saying in Mugello there was handlings problems and he's glad they're now ironed out. So bottom line..don't believe a word!

  • been digging through anything that might be useful for scarbs, here’s a reverse angle which better illustrates the size of the cage:

    I still can't see what it is doing. I know Flibster suggested it was blowing smoke and I can see the sense in that but I don't see any smoke nozzles or a smoke container/generator.

    There are no obvious tyre sensors on it and Renault's bar with pressure tranducers is a far more elegant way of doing that.

  • I still can’t see what it is doing. I know Flibster suggested it was blowing smoke and I can see the sense in that but I don’t see any smoke nozzles or a smoke container/generator.

    looks to me like the cables are hanging loose. maybe they hadn't finished setting it up yet? there are enough cables to attach many cameras, but where does the smoke come from?

  • Possible explanation here http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A47618058

  • Possible explanation here

    Thanks, Jackie. Other than the metal frame explanation, it was interesting how the last commenter (who claimed to be an ex-Jag engineer) explained how Michelin did tyre testing, and how this setup can be used as a loophole by other teams (a 'Mobil' test team running 2008 McLarens with 2009 aero on track, for example).

  • a ‘Mobil’ test team running 2008 McLarens with 2009 aero on track, for example

    That loophole would soon be closed.

  • That loophole would soon be closed.

    But USF1 testing a McLaren would not.

  • Looks very like a pressure scanner installation to me....

  • The real question we need to ask is: Where was Franck while me was at the airfield? :)

  • How do you post pics please.

  • Go to http://drop.io/sidepodcast

    Click add

    Then add files and after that it is easy.

    Any problems just holler

  • drop.io/sidepodca…sset/dsc00395-jpg

  • Is the bird dead? seems like theres a bit of red-ness on it.....

  • Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

  • Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

  • drop.io/sidepodca…sset/dsc00395-jpg

    brilliant kyle, thank you :)

    did you see much running today?

  • Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    You can't yet, but Mr C is adding that feature soon to the commentry things.

  • Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    the least we can do :)

  • I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

    WOOOOOOOOOOOW THATS SO COOL!!!

    i am easy pleased!!

  • I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

    only in:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/

    at the moment. across the rest of the site soon though.

  • the least we can do

    McLaren look like the gloomiest team of the year.

  • Yes it was a busy day there, but a few hiccups with the car ment it was not out as much as it should have been.

  • Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

  • Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    on me way.

  • Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    am gonna watch :)

  • Yes it was a busy day there, but a few hiccups with the car ment it was not out as much as it should have been.

    they didn't seem to do as much running as renault had previously, hopefully the team managed to find some good info.

  • am gonna watch

    Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

  • Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

    :D

  • Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

    haha. you don't need to cheat. your the one that always knows the answer :P

  • Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    Rats. Just started sorting out Diary for this week. That's a shame. Enjoy the freakishly hard questions :)

  • haha. you don’t need to cheat. your the one that always knows the answer

    I didn't last week. It's difficult to cheat anyway as Mr C, Ollie and Jackie are all on identica

  • Rats. Just started sorting out Diary for this week. That’s a shame. Enjoy the freakishly hard questions

    haha :D

  • I know Q8 :)

  • I know Q8

    based on question 9, i think Steven may win this. lol

  • In fact I discovered I know quite a few of them - but don't know how I'm supposed to decipher the CAPTCHA to actually enter the quiz in the first place :(

  • based on question 9, i think Steven may win this. lol

    I guess you didn't read my comment on that one then :)

  • The black tube on the framework looks like a riding crop. Maybe it's a 'driver management system'?

  • The black tube on the framework looks like a riding crop. Maybe it’s a ‘driver management system’?

    Has Max lost his.

  • Luckily there was an e-mail system, so I was able to submit something. Not sure what my score is yet.

  • Luckily there was an e-mail system, so I was able to submit something. Not sure what my score is yet.

    I believe you got 24.5 :)

  • I believe you got 24.5

    ooh. what did i... ahh. never mind :)

  • Right where is Mr Sidepodcast?

  • Right where is Mr Sidepodcast?

    you rang?

  • :-)

    your supposed to list your answers out not say how many you got

  • you rang?

    Now that's service!

  • Now that’s service!

    :D

  • Quiz answers and results

    www.pitlanefanati…&p=4725#p4725

  • your supposed to list your answers out not say how many you got

    yeah but... how could i have missed them when they were that big?

  • yeah but… how could i have missed them when they were that big?

    Not every one got them all

  • Not every one got them all

    Did I get one wrong?

  • Not every one got them all

    wtf?

    gimmie two mins, i have to make you a video.

  • Did I get one wrong?

    No you got them all right

  • No you got them all right

    Phew, thought you may have mixed something up when I said speaker...

  • No you got them all right

    here be the problem illustrated:

    drop.io/sidepodca…easy-i-spy-f1-m4v

    recommend you download to see in high-res. i clicked on your links, they opened in x2 tabs, i flicked between tabs and the answer was right there.

    i would be impossible to not get 5 right at that resolution unless i managed to blink at exactly the wrong moment everytime :)

  • my advantage has been knobbled. now i'll never beat rg :(

  • here be the problem illustrated:</blockquote

    yay! i got them right :)

  • yay! i got them right

    :D

  • my advantage has been knobbled. now i’ll never beat rg

    Bwahahahahaha hahahaha haha ha

  • i would be impossible to not get 5 right at that resolution unless i managed to blink at exactly the wrong moment everytime :)

    What do you guys think? should we believe him?

  • What do you guys think? should we believe him?

    :D

  • :-D

  • What do you guys think? should we believe him?

    get mr c to make the same kinda video for the spot the difference next week and give it to all who are taking part.... see how well they do... :D

  • I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but an update on the "Logo Website." This what is now on the page.

    Ken Anderson, Peter Windsor and all at USF1 would like to thank everyone for the amazing response we have received since news first broke about our project on February 4, 2009.

    Proving that American technology, American drivers and the American competitive spirit can compete and win on the F1 global stage has been our mission for several years now. And, judging by the overwhelming response we have received from F1 fans both in the US and worldwide, from within the F1 industry and from the US hi-tech industry, we think that many of you agree with us.

    We will be officially announcing the team in a special show on Speed TV on February 24 at 13:00 EST.

    Interesting. I think I will be setting my DVR.

  • get mr c to make the same kinda video for the spot the difference next week and give it to all who are taking part…. see how well they do… :D

    Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos :-D

  • Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos

    yay!

  • Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos

    Or join the big photos together into a single image so you can't flick between them (tabs are great aren't they?)

  • (tabs are great aren’t they?)

    another one!

  • I believe you got 24.5 {Comment #123}

    Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    And I might have got 25 if I hadn't spelt Mr Baumgartner's first name wrong...

  • Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    You finished higher than Me, me, Ollie (by 0.5) and someone else

  • Back to that strange frame....

    *evening btw... Just got back from the IMAX. The Dark Knight again - also booked for Watchmen ;) *

    There's some degree of chunkyness to the frame itself. If it was just supporting something there would be no need for it to be a frame using sheet around an inch and a half wide...

    There may be some flow conditioning going on.

    Still have no real idea though

  • My answers:

    1 Salo

    2 1967's (Hulme)

    3 ?

    4 Monaco 1996

    5 Clay Reggazoni

    6 Ferrari

    7 ?

    8 Pierluigi Martini

    9 ?

    10 Villnueve, Montoya, Mansell, Fittipaldi

    11 Zsolt Baumgartner

    12 Six wheels

    13 Sauber

    14 Ralf Schumacher

    15 No sponsor on Piquet Jr's helmet, no "crease" in side of monocoque, engineer's glove stetches further, more precise tip on rear of camera, lion on engine cover appears to be pouting

    16 Mike Hawthorn

    17 McLaren, Brabham, ?

    18 Massa and Jacques Villenueve

    19 Andrea Moda (and also for putting the sport into disrepute)

    20 Gordon Murray

    21 Jacky Ickx

    22 Michael Schumacher

    23 Britain (10)

    24 McLaren MP4-23, Ferrari F2009(K), Toyota TF108, BMW F1.09, Red Bull RB5, Toro Rosso TR4

    25 Imola

  • You did spell Zsolt Baumgartner's name right fully.

  • And I might have got 25 if I hadn’t spelt Mr Baumgartner’s first name wrong…

    Aka... HWNSNBM!

  • There may be some flow conditioning going on.

    this was scarbs conclusions on the autosport forum:

    forums.autosport.…81993#post3481993

    that ring true with you?

  • that ring true with you?

    oh, and this one:

    forums.autosport.…82067#post3482067

  • i love this quote:

    "The frame is the mounting bracket for an array of hot-wire anemometers, which (although not fitted in the picture) will each be measuring the airspeed as it comes off the front of the wheel. This is usually done in a full-scale tunnel, but thanks the FIA's brilliant cost-saving plans, they now need to do it on tarmac"

    nice one!

  • Still can't quote characters in italics, but I'm wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

  • *evening btw… Just got back from the IMAX. The Dark Knight again - also booked for Watchmen *

    Just booked my Watchmen IMAX tickets too about half an hour ago

    :D :) :D

  • Still can’t quote characters in italics

    fixed on my dev machine, release thurs or fri.

    I’m wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

    more fun for us though isn't it? look what we've learned today.

  • Still can’t quote characters in italics, but I’m wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

    It isn't but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

  • It isn’t but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    i see these restrictions as a good thing.

    max is bringing f1 closer to the fans. what's the point of doing this locked inside a wind tunnel 24/7. good to see the cars getting out there and making some noise ;)

  • I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    :D

    Extreme Close Up!

  • me: 19/02/2009 at 00:50

    It isn’t but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    i see these restrictions as a good thing.

    max is bringing f1 closer to the fans. what’s the point of doing this locked inside a wind tunnel 24/7. good to see the cars getting out there and making some noise

    With the testing ban?

  • With the testing ban?

    shhh. i hadn't thought that though.

  • that ring true with you?

    Sounds sensible.

    Not seen it used before myself, but if it's normally done in a wind tunnel that'd be why. Never set foot in a 100% scale wind tunnel. Only used small ones and a very small supersonic one.

  • I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

  • would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

    :D

  • would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

    The could have a helmet shaped cockpit bubble.

  • Aka… HWNSNBM! {Comment #156}

    Ah, how to spot a fellow F1 Rejects reader ;)

  • Ah, how to spot a fellow F1 Rejects reader

    Yup. :D It's one of my most anticipated post race podcasts - just for the amount of comedy in it.

  • I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed. {Comment #163}

    Probably not, since it doesn't specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they'd probably get away with it though.

  • Probably not, since it doesn’t specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they’d probably get away with it though.

    So they either have to build a big car or make a small one and find a quick dwarf. If he is going to be an F1 driver I suppose it should be Grumpy

  • Probably not, since it doesn’t specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they’d probably get away with it though.

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It's not F1 testing. ;)

  • Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules? :)

  • Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    Piquet did that in F3. Put different tyres on the car so it complied with another formula and got a lot of extra testing.

  • Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    :)

  • You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules?

    could the teams not get together, exploit the rules as one and maybe book themselves a track for a week.

  • Andy Taylor: 19/02/2009 at 01:13

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules?

    McLaren are building a new roadcar.

    How ideal a chance is it for them. ;) Spend a few days at the 'ring and rags the nuts of it. :D

  • could the teams not get together, exploit the rules as one and maybe book themselves a track for a week.

    Sorry, you lost me at Teams, followed by Get Together

    This is F1, I think you have the wrong website! :D

  • This is F1, I think you have the wrong website!

    ahh.

  • Spend a few days at the ‘ring and rags the nuts of it.

    Is that equivalent to 'going full bananas'?

  • Bassano Clapper: 19/02/2009 at 01:21

    Spend a few days at the ‘ring and rags the nuts of it.

    Is that equivalent to ‘going full bananas’?

    Pretty much.

  • I am sorry that I saw this so late - Arizona USA timezone.

    I really think the cage work on the car is preparation for a video camera. I bet they were testing the rigging prior to putting a Hi Def camera at risk. Methinks a very cool Hi Def promotional video will be shot soon.

    Just my two cents, Alec

  • Hi Alec

    There are a couple of guys I have read who are F1 engineers and they say it is a frame to hold air pressure and speed measuring equipment but they did not have that equiment on the frame because it doesn't work unless the weather is dry.

  • Yes, That would be what it is for. The tubes are normally connected to a pressure scanner which has a number of inputs (64 is not uncommon) and samples them in order creating a pressure map across the area of interest. Similar to using a pressure tapped floor.

    I agree that it can be used to corellate cfd /WT data to real car data...

    But (having had a good amount of experience) the flow vis, combined with running the 2008 rear wing and now this leads me to suspect that they are trying to track down a performance issue.

    Either is equally likely at the moment.

  • Alianora La Canta said:

    I believe you got 24.5 {Comment #123}

    Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    And I might have got 25 if I hadn’t spelt Mr Baumgartner’s first name wrong…

    That is a an excellent score Alianora :-D Imagine what you would have got if you'd had me's video.

    Gave you a full point for Q11 - 1/2 point was for Q23 ;-)

  • But (having had a good amount of experience) the flow vis, combined with running the 2008 rear wing and now this leads me to suspect that they are trying to track down a performance issue.

    Interesting...

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    angel, we appreciate your comment, but we cant be having language like that. pls keep it clean, thanks.

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  • New pic Uploaded

    thank you kyle. i'll embed it too:

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