Live: China 2011 - The Race
Published by Christine Blachford

Although qualifying was somewhat predictable in places, and certainly provided only half the excitement we were looking for, the result has left the potential for a really good race.
Webber is starting from way back on the grid, and although his KERS troubles may not afford him a great start, he has the car under him to get through the grid.
Also, Renault will be one to watch at the start, as both drivers are somewhat out of position and have known to rocket forward on the first lap.
The race will begin at 8am GMT+1 with the Factbyte Factbox ready to rock and roll an hour beforehand.
Statistics
- 20℃
- Low 11℃
- Humidity 52%
- Sunny intervals
| Pos | Driver | Team | Time | Laps |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | J Button | McLaren | 1:46:42.163 | |
| 2 | L Hamilton | McLaren | +1.5 | |
| 3 | N Rosberg | Mercedes | +9.4 | |
| 4 | F Alonso | Ferrari | +11.8 | |
| 5 | R Kubica | Renault | +22.2 |
Predictions
Chi 2011 Race: Where will Mark Webber finish this race, from 18th position?
9 votes




Hello everyone. :D
Hiya. I thought Vettel might win this, but then I booted up my PC and saw a pic of a McLaren... so...
I asked my son who will win today, he said Sebastian Vettel, there it goes, one can't argue with him
:D
Good Morning, already messed up by thinking that the race started an hour earlier than it does.
Still. I dont think Vettel will win this one. Also expecting first corner carnage...
It's about time we had some, they've all been far too professional so far :)
I think the nasty hot humid cloudy summer officially arrived today. The only good thing about that is that nobody is complaining about me spoiling the whole afternoon by staying home watching the race
I have a blanket and a cup of Xmas tea since it doesn't require milk, I am all set to go :) And silently wishing I'd taken the multiple packets of creamer from our Malaysian hotel room :)
no tea really requires tea, only people who like to have tea with milk require it :-)
I am one of those people :D
no tea really requires milk ...
I am one of those who can do well with a piece of lemon :-)
Guess I am one of those people who does ;)
Now I've started browsing the tea shop web page to see if they have anything new to try. I think I need to hit up the Easter range. mmm, creme brulee tea.
oh my lord... sooo tired. morning all.
I definitely need milk in tea :)
Hi Amy, are we still on for dinner tomorrow night in Brunswick St?
ooh yes I hope so :)
morning!! my cat and i are ready for an epic race. come on jenson!
Ace :D
i am drinking something that calls itself apple cinnamon tea, goog stuff i must say
I am getting buffering on the static BBC message thing... not a good sign
ooh I hit play at just the right time :D
Morning all.
I never understood why people put milk in tea. That's like adding Bovril to orange juice
Aww Gem! Penny is sunbaking next to me in the afternoon sun :)
I hate when Jake gets all faux dramatic
f1 does kung fu?
LOLS!
awwww!! hehe Gem is sitting on the little table i have my laptop on :)
ok, i am switching to bandwidth saving mode ...
Awww! Best! :D
monacoooo!! i miss the monaco GP..
Where is Eddie?
Who cares? Morning everyone!
has Lukeh spoken to Ari recently?
Morning guys, phew! Its early.
I totally must have headpinged you with my comment
Now all we need is for Coulthard to learn how to say that trickiest of names "Heidfeld" and we're golden.
This will be Webber's last season I reckon.
Hello Jon
I like this. Every race should be at this time.
ahhhh, afternoon cuppa
Put your hands up if your family doesn't understand why you wake up so early on a Sunday morning, just to see "those cars..."
I have to hear those comments every single time there's a Grand Prix in Asia...
And another thing: FIA reduces the DRS activation zone to 752 metres, instead of the 952 they said before.
he may do a rubens
noooooo!
that bit is nice, but a 10pm cuppa is lovely too.
:)
I have indeed but the travel costs and accommodation are a bit too expensive sadly and it was all talked about a bit too late which is a shame. Although Ari has stayed in contact so we'll see if anything else happens :)
true enough
aww I hope something awesome still happens for you :)
Morning all.
Bleh. My timings are all to cock. I thought the race was starting 7 minutes ago...
steven will have to think of a new adjective for diresta
THe stress is terrible. Imagine if I get it slightly wrong
There are only so many words in the english language!
I think you went a bit too hard too early
Use Danish ones!
Ooh the cars move now :)
I await the day when we hear odd Scottish terms we don't understand.
No...
Just some new ones for Sutil....
*cough* silverstone *cough*....
Moooorning :)
Way too early. I only got up for this so I could sleep well tonight!
If he keeps improving I have a problem. It's like starting to sing in too high a pitch. I am going to be straining to hit the top note. Maybe need a sneaky key change as expectation increases
I'd love to know why Webber is letting Red Bull hamstring him?
:-)
time to consult the thesaurus. How to say phenomenal in 37 different ways.
I don't wanna go too crazy here but... there may have to be two words involved
Hope Webber hasn't gone for too short a 7th gear or he could be in for a frustrating day
double phenomenal?
engine noise time...
ooooo.start rumors that schumi is looking over his shoulder!
I may end up crowd sourcing
That's against the rules
Looks like Ferrari are warming up uniquely, FBFB. or maybe it's the new McLaren overalls and ron Dennis has finally lost it.
gah! lag, buffering, lag, buffering.
why does this happen the day eddie is not there?!
wow i spy lee two weeks in a row....
I think if the season progresses as it is going that he will replace Schumacher next year. Even Ross Brawn can't spend another season saying that Schumacher will come good
OOoh:
quick plug for the dashboard, in case you're commenting by other means: http://sidepodcast.com/dashboard
Nick Heidfeld: "I'm not in F1 to twy and pwove myself, I'm in F1 to twy and win"...
leg... shoulder... maybe he's trying to collect the full list of injuries?
That would be crazy when the dashboard is available
Lee, ask him if there's any fun in germany!
2:14am, you are dark, chilly and rainy.
Good morning.
well yes, I was.
oops
Morning
I won't let you take my doohickey away from me!
race nick, rrrrace
Let's not make him angry this early in the morning!
I've checked the script for the race and it'll be worth the wake up :)
My first live F1 race of the season. (yawn)
It's OK, I have FBFB on another screen <3
excellent
what is it with Renault and making loud noises on the BBC?
More importantly, pineapple.
It's the pineapple man
Breakfast calls. Back later.
how many screens does the FBFB think I have?
Same.
*too out of it to yawn yet.
Every time I see Boulier (sp?) now I think of that pineapple. :)
hehehehe ant!!
Ant looked mightily confused
How do you get the world feed?
Hehehe
Is there any way to make the dashboard into 2 columns without zooming out and making the font too tiny?
hehe
Same here.
No idea, am looking at the FBFFBF :)
FBBFB, even
their grandstand has a starbucks. Why did I go to Malaysia?
Bah!
Make the browser wider.
Danger! High Voltage! :D
They've chopped the DRS zone by 150m?
Are we supposed to be able to keep up with this?
What a song
Although the video will forever traumatise me
FBFB will have it on screen #23
After they knew the grid?? That just leaves them open to being accused of manipulation.
It's full width!? My screen is pretty wide as well for a laptop. Ho hum.
No, with DRS they're supposed to be too fast to keep up with.
(2am humor)
Ah, then no.
Make the font reeallly small and use your laptop so your face is literally on the screen to read it :P
You think it was an anti-Webber move? :-)
Dashboard needs a wide screen to run two column
i can never fit fbfb and comments on the same screen when i use fbfb in the dashbourd.. so i end up using comments in the dashboard and fbfb in another window.
Hello everyone.
hehe
Aren't they all? :)
things I have recently learned about Korea #54: they have the longest straight.
oooh
I doubt it. I don't think there is manipulation but if they make changes after the grid is set it leaves them open to being accused
Mmm mm mmm. cup of tea always goes down well no matter what time it is.
Bit early for a bacon sarnie though.
I've got 2 columns side-by-side on my laptop and its readable. And I've discovered today you can change the length of the boxes!
go on jake move the guns
You can also drag them around to a different order if you so desire :)
You can move the boxes around too
FIA DRS Zone Manager, Helmut Marko today reduced the length...
I have FBFB on my iPad but it will move to another window above the doohickey comments when I use the timing app :)
Stupid narrow laptop.
rob is their audience!
rob!
Mmm, FBFB on the iPad.
ooh one hd have ipad friendly streaming on their website. That'd be handy if I was ever out somewhere with wifi and my ipad and there was a race on and I didn't have my laptop.
Wait, that never happens.
woot woot! jenson!
phew, normal mclaren overalls that can't frazzle my mind :)
Jenson not wearing red overalls
Lewis too
you didn't read my daily!! the overalls are only for the saturday..
I think the competition is for all the qualifying sessions only, not sure though
Hahahaha "Lewis is a little bit short...."
Team Lotus appear not to have a Spark commentator this weekend. I like the team and I think it's a fab idea but I don't like how they're doing it :(
kewl ! didnt know that would work
any idea whats up with the print overalls and different colous?
More Lee?! Woah.
McLaren appear to not be plugging their competition very well :D
it's a fan competition. every saturday of every race.
hehe that trip to silverstone will be mine! :P
Morning! Woke up about 10 minutes ago but not timeshifting this morning, so if Horner speaks I will have to go off to the loo or to make a coffee...
www.hugoboss.com/…en/#/configurator
2011: The Year Of Sidepodcasters Winning Trips To Races
That dude is basically leaning over lee!
i hope so.. i really hope so..
Fate, I tells ya.
some people really have no concept of what is appropriate.
from the world feed on my telly the crowd looks alright...ish...
ah, thanks all
Is it my tv or is this feature a bit magenta in colour?..
it is very golden here too
Does seem overly purple
It's a bit pink now you mention it....
did Lewis just blame the team?..
Lewis would never do such a thing ;)
He did.
hes getting as bad as alonso with his whining
Yep. Because he can't decide his own strategy he blames the team when they get it wrong.
Way to get the guys in the garage to back you Lewis.
okay that's good. i was worried.
yaay that i noticed, otherwise i'd have no hope in the colour darkrooms.
no, he just said they didn't do what he asked ;)
if i wasn't sitting down already i'd need to sit down. :)
He is just explaining what is happening. Interesting that he got blamed for not making use of his tyres when he made the right call and the team ignored him. I wonder if they would have done the same had Jenson made that call
Mark is being interviewd on my telly, he looks exhausted.
He's leaving McLaren, isn't he? It'll happen sooner or later. Sooner, at this rate.
:(
wow, lewis really laying into his team.
He did make his own call. That is the point.
Sort of I guess. He doesn't seem very whiny. More like he was asked what happened, what are you expecting other than his account of what happened?
Jenson will beat Lewis this year. He's better with the tyres and the team I reckon.
OK, I loooove these pop-ups. I dont even need to read FBFB!
Amazing
Can someone get up and put the heat on? Thanks.
#chilly
There is no way Jenson will beat him over a season
I don't have any problem with what hes saying.
I wouldn't say that just yet, but it seems Jenson is running Lewis a lot closer than he should be, really.
#sorrylou
No gridwalk. :(
tis okay. Jenson could do with a strong season. I keep getting confused between the mclarens thinking Jenson has the red camera case.
aww, no gridwalk?
I do. That should have been discussed behind closed doors, not on TV.
Jake and DC gridwalk
Buxton just called the rookies "youngsters". Um, how old are you, kid? hmm..
Jake gridwalk! :)
Haven't heard Lewis talking like this before. Actually quite refreshing - to often you get the feeling he isn't saying what he feels, but not then!
yep. they should get DC to do the gridwalks Martin can't do.
eek mark being interviewed on two screens at once. magic!
he'll prove you all wrong...
its good for us to know how he feels though
Why do you say that about Lewis but when I made similar comments about Webber, everyone went mad?
ooh, more start lights.
So if MB can't do the gridwalk because he has to go to the box, how come DC can?
hes one of the 4 alain prosts on the grid:-)
lol, DC giving Mark tips about which lights to look at when you're at the back of the grid
We always ask for more openness. Last week you had a real go at him for not making use of his tyres when it turned out he made the right call and the team made the wrong call.
Because Lewis is supposed to be part of a team while Mark was having to work against it?
Different circumstances I reckon.
oooh, bad news for mclaren. let's hope that "everyone does as good a job a lewis" changing that engine cover.
I guess Lewis and Mark just make an ace pair....
oh dear.. Lewis has an issue..
Because his legs are not as mangled and this way at least there is one in the box if there is a problem
Cos DC dosen't have to do the intro part
Yeah I did. And I stand by that because he should have adjusted his driving to make his tyres last.
yikes!
:D :D
am so happy Jenson can make his own decisions.
Hmm I wonder when DC will cut in then.
If Jenson makes a tyre call he gets credit for it. Lewis does it and he should change his driving?
He was off the pace as soon as he went on to hards. It was nothing to do with making them last. He made the softs last so there is no reason why he could not make the hards last
Wow. I wonder if Lewis will even start?
gosh that drives me nuts
Jenson made them last?.. so why couldn't Lewis. He's been arguing he can manage his tyres just as well as Jenson.. so.. erm.. i too kinda expected him to be able to make them last for an extra few laps too.
from the pit lane maybe?
Michael is using the force to force jake backwards, madness
hehehe :) i think i'm enjoying this more than Brundle's grid walk.. bit less awkward.
5 minutes to get Lewis on the grid
Two is always so much better.
Jake walks backwards very well :)
points for jake, for braving schumi!
The marbling will look something like this today
http://twitpic.com/4lwwxi
Schumi !! LOL
I vaguely remember there being one race last year where Lewis was really awesome with his tyres and I thought at the time 'hooray now everyone will stop saying hes rubbish at managing them'
but that hasn't happened, maybe that race never happened and I dreamed it :D
But Lewis didn't make the call ... and he lets the team decide the strategy for him, so even if he did try and change the team wouldn't have let him.
not if one of them is EJ
uh ohhh...
The coverage is SO much better without EJ...
A fuel leak for lewis
Someone get a cork
He really isn't that bad with them. Once you get a reputation for something, it's near impossible to shift whether that be good or bad.
di resta!!!!
oh God - please no fire!
He said in that interview that he asked for softs and the team gave him hards. That is making the call
Oh dear .... this is very bad for Lewis. Although a pit lane start could lead to an exciting performance though
Yes but how do ask for tyres when you normally let the team decide for you? He would have been easily overidden by his engineer.
gosh they're really rushing in that garage!
i do kinda feel sorry for lewis..
It's all about reputation
<
hehehe
Hello all
Speed are promoting the Austin track pretty hard, of course.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
OK... so for Lewis, how long before the race before he can get out to the grid? 5min before start?
Cutting his fuel line was a bit of an extreme response you have to say
off he goes
Lewis is out on the track now
close!
There's a piece of his airbox missing?
oi, bbc, you aint live
nice work mclaren!
Needs to be out before 2:45pm local time (2 minutes from now) or he'll have to start from the pitlane.
Hi Janna! It's so late it's early here. :)
Who says the team normally decides for him while Jenson decides for himself. I have yet to hear a single discussion on the subject on the radio
I see daddy button :)
He's made it.
Made it by about 20 seconds
this is going to be the race FL for Lewis :D
Kai (Ebel)!!!
Ha! Mean!
phew
so it's 15 min before start then?
Martin would not have let Kai Ebel in after Tania
Is Lewis out yet??
Did it look like he had a piece of rear body work missing?
Pit lane opens 30 minutes before the start and closes 15 minutes before
It has been said many times before hasn't it?
I dunno. At the end of the day, Lewis was short by 4 laps and Jenson made it.
Yes
They said they'd fit it on the grid. He just had to get out.
jake is much more polite than martin
I thought so too. The back of the airbox?
They just sent him to the grid with the car as it was. They have ten minutes on the grid to sort all the bits
That was damn close!! Phew
wow, how rude is vettel?
Wow Vettel is very polite too!
Jake can't interpret 'don't talk to me' signals :D
Go awya, I am taping my helmet! I am a world champion and I'll use the force!
#minischumi
surely this is his priority, not the TV
He is trying to sot his drinks feed into his helmet before a race. That is more important
It's all with the last minute engineering today....
Fuel was spraying straight into the airbox on Lewis' car, according to Steve Matchett.
Not rude at all I'd say! He was the one being interrupted!
Martin probably wouldn't have even gone near him
The air filter was flooded?? How do you flood an air filter?
I thought he was being OK?
heheheh i love that, engine cover up.. *masses of camera flashes for a moment*
not cool in my book, but maybe that's just me.
Sounds like they don't know either
He was clearly busy doing something else... Leave him alone.
That tyre cover is feeling so popular right now
I wonder if Jo Bauer is going to shoo the photographers away or if he does that just for Renault underbodies
3mins. Hmmm ??
awww. lewis hug
'they need to be stepping away from the car in the next 3 mins'
i love the f1 people don't panic.. :)
why are the softs silver & not gold?
Morning lovely people.
Gold wasn't visible enough on TV
Hey RG
i've already given up with the tyres this year.
they didnt hear the song?
ah.
THe name colour is the same but they have silver stripes and yellow letters
Why did they ever choose that as a colour then...? Much as people thought that green was silly, it was at least quite a bright colour.
Tiny Martin!
Martin appears to be sitting in a safe
Permanent solution from turkey
I wonder if therse any F1 commentary box at any track that has even the slightest hint of comfort.
fair point about weaving at the start.
pandas!!
Panda hats!
PANDA
Morning
Why has the Ferrari Pit board got "Si amo tutti con te" written on it?
Until the next solution
Lewis has the engine cover back on
So you can block and weave as much as you like off the grid. Lets see if that applies when Lewis gets pole
I believe it means 'WE should be on pole today...'
Quick, time for a cuppa!
I assume for Kubica?
yes, and vettel can overtake by going off the track too
maybe its for Japan again
Another one says Forza Paulo on it?
It might be for a team member or something.
doubt it.
One of the team members?
Paolo the mechanic who went into surgery last night for aneurism
hehe
google translate says 'We love you all with you' accurate i know..
:(
:D
eek. Well, that puts things in perspective.
Looks like some fans bothered showing up today
Ahh boo :(
Track temp 29C
Air temp 22C
Wind speed 1.2 m/s
Humidity 23%
Air pressure 1006.2 mBar
aww :(
Didn't know that
I thought Jenson had no. 1 on his helmet again then. Mobil 1 and tiredness make a good combination
oooh look - one full grandstand! I'll bet the rest are empty!
It means we are all with you. Same message they used for Massa after his accident
It's more like all our love is with you. We don't really speak like that in English at all :P
Yeah and the last time we saw it was for Massa.
I don't know who I want to win this ... just not Vettel I suppose
mmmm heat haze.. :)
Lotus have progressed amazingly to almost be out qualifying red bull already ;)
AC/DC TIME!!!!
:D
:D
:D
phew, my local men have shut up. time to turn off my stream and watch the tv :)
Same.
You just know Tony Fernandes is going to quote that!
Jenson!!.. *ehem*
Lewis's car got off the grid. Hope it is stuck together well enough to last the race
I recon webbers gonna make some good moves from the start. Lets hope the mclarens and jump vettle!!
I am not going to jinx who I want to/expect to win
Maybe VEttel was helping McLaren out with some Gaffa tape?
at over £300 a ticket, maybe we should cut them some slack?
That's a good choice. :)
Webber will crash I reckon
That is ridiculous!
Anyone fancy predicting where he'll be at the end of the 1st lap? I'm saying p7
Go Lewis!
(where is Jeremy anyway?)
You probably have to work the friday and saturday just to pay for the sunday!
Are we expecting carnage in the first couple of corners today?
300 only for the main straight. it's about half that price at the hairpin.
:D
That would fit in perfectly for his season so far.
Pretty much.
eee the excitement :D
Horner looks nervous
I wonder what Webber's strategy will be? I reckon it might be post-worthy
GO JENSON!!!!
EEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
yes
wooo mclarens!
OMG OMg OMG OMG
Yes!
Should be
McLaren 1-2
Phwoar... Have a bit of that...
Jenson i flipping love you. <3 :) gooooooo Jenson!
WOOOHOOOOOOO
How was Vettel's start not a schumi chop?
Booo vettel!
Yeees!
Di resta 7th!!!
Because Button already got past? :D
YES!!! WELL DONE MCLAREN!
Now we have a race on!
Wooooo go Paul
Good start from Sutil
On Lewis?
MSC 9th!!
Wall was further away here, not good though!
Webber lost one place
can we just stop the race now? i can't cope with 56 laps of worry..
don't see why they're ignoring moves like that at the start of the race, vettel's chop was dangerous
Oh my word!
yeah really not good.
gooo JB!
Go jenson!!
Couldnt have asked for a better start!
Start looked like Vettel had no KERS
Looks like a Lotus with problems...
It is stupid to ignore those moves
"currently no live session"
Flipping stupid timing
come on Jenson!! XD
Try reloading it. Worked for me
Excellent start by both mclarens! I predicted it. Happy boy!!
Yes very
You think so? Could be...
I hate that any start problem gets blamed on KERS. Lewis made a lousy start in Melbourne with KERS
That isn't necessarily ignored though, just considered under different rules rather than the 1 move on a straight. I mean ramming people off the road is never allowed.
why does no-one crash any more? stupid talented drivers :)
I'm surprised there was no big thing in the first lap. That's good.
How did Liuzzi get up to 20th?!
DRS starts now...
hehe
Oops 21st, still
even webber made it!!
In Malaysia I was thinking in my head 'no ones retired from an accident, they just have mechanical failures which isn't as exciting' and then about 20 seconds later Petrov went flying. #sorrypetrov
Wow Virgin and HRT are now visibly behind the rest...
It's nice to see a non red bull car leading again ;)
stunning. But there's still plenty opportunities as he tries to move up.
True.
Go Kamui!
Get in.
I wonder if Virgin will lose sponsorship money what with Full Tilt Poker shutting down. Not that I'm sure they were even still sponsoring them.
Indeed. If Vettel wins this it will be an awesome effort
it's nice to see Jenson leading.. :)
Oooh Full Tilt are shutting down?
What a start by jenson, wooooooooop!!
he got the start right when it matters most <3
And will probably be the key moment when we realize that Vettel has indeed won this championship.
especially when it's a maclaren!
almost all of the main poker sites have been shut down by the US Government, it's a major thing, they've all been charged with money laundering.
Yup - US shutting down Big 3 online poker outfits.
That weaving and blocking is way worse than Lewis got penalised for again.
WOW.
Blimey the view from Lewis' car...
dear video people.. can we watch the race now please?..
right, but how the sodding hell do you analyse and penalise every car on that grid? you can't just pick on the pole sitter.
Guess that's why PKR doesn't operate in the US.
I just hope there's not to many silly DRS overtakes today.
Mafia Pressure.
US government has been after them for years
Tonio Liuzzi got ajump start apparently :)
David Hobbs said Vettel was too busy trying to block people behind him and he lost places.
i never thought i'd see the day when people complain there is too much overtaking..
Also a very good start from massa to get ahead of anando too!
Button has fastest lap. Then Hamilton. Then vettel
No he made a mistake with his clutch and nearly stalled it.
Har Har
you can never win with F1 fans :D
Not too much overtaking. Too much unfair overtaking
we are never happy, that's why they really shouldn't listen to us too much
Agreed
I'm not complaining, I love it.
Schumi-Koby Part 2 :)
hehe
Crofty days we have a Di Resta Train
Trulli train 2.0
No complaints here!
Especially when overtaking leads to jenson winning :P
Nooooooo Di Resta says he has a problem with the rear
Both Torro Rosso cars lost positions at the start. Now P11 and 13
5 laps and Webber has gained one position
And button gets faster still! Keep going jenson!
Speed guys are usually wrong. I share their comments as points of amusement. :)
Quite a bit more than one according to my live timing.
another 50 laps just like this please..
I've never really had a problem with the volume of overtaking tbh. It seems pretty unfair that you as the car behind should get this advantage. There can be a lot of skill in defending overtaking moves too.
He is holding his position so the car can feel as bad as it likes so long as the performance is still there
morning all
Calm down, Lou......lol - stroke that cat........
Web P15
Vettel fasted lap.
Liuzzi has a drive through penalty, there goes his chances of winning, damn
:D
Tim Train!
Toro Rossos are dropping back
I feel Seb's gonna win it as Button can't make any gap at all
Where are those red cars ?? Ahahaha
Liuzzi jumped the start and he's still second last? FAIL.
could come down to pit stops....
When do we think people will pit?
How is he going to build a gap to his team mate? He's not all that bad ;)
If someone bungles a stop, it could go any way.
Jenson i would really like it if you could just distance yourself from Hamilton and Vettel a bit.. not much, just a second or two..
We have 3 contenders today for sure.
Lap 18
Awww, damn you lovely perez.
Nice move Sergio
Perez is on fiiiire
tv people wroonnng fight...
WOW!
Oh dear Webber (head shake)
Man this is confusing... we're watching a different battle to what crofty is commentating on...
Oh hello Checo, welcome to this race, 9 laps late.
TV Director missed ALL of that!
Perez did Webber?
I love watching him.
Cheeky move from Checo.
He had it on the edge of the screen, just about. :D
come on renault!
Quick Nick!!
I take back what I said about streaming, I just took the iPad to the kitchen to heat up pizza and not miss anything.
*shakes head*
Cripes, I can't watch Heidfeld... Does he have another spare front wing?
Amazing that Heidfeld is able to overtake the same cars easier than Webber has so far.
Hahaha Ant
"you all know how great it is following a car in the countryside and then it turns into a farm!'
I still say all F1 TV directors should be put in a room with a gun and a million bullets each
hehehe ant comparing Jaime to a tractor down a country lane..
Wooooooooooooooah tim!!
Well, Brundle called it.
woah, 3 wheels
Erm someone is missing a wheel...
Yellow
Oh Jaime. :(
Bit too fast a pitstop then?
Think that toro Rossi is missing something
Webber 1.47.9 lap. Yikes.
Jaime had just pitted. Wheel nut retainer failed. That should not happen
It nearly hit the stewards :O
OMG! That tyre....
So dangerous
wow the HRT was lucky not to get hit by that tyre there...
and a photog.
bouncy bouncy..........good job he wasnt going that fast.......
!!
Incoming!
:(
Slow webber stop
wow never thought i'd hear crofty say 'webber really needs to get out ahead of that hispania..' poor webber.
Purple S1 for Perez?
Blimey, Webber fighting with HRT....
followed by a pedestrian S2.
they'd miss each other
soo, how long will it take the marshalls to get rid of the car...
Just not happening for him, let's play conspiracy bingo.
ohh i like how close the photogs can get to the track there...
I'll go for never.
enough time to prevent any overtaking of jenson ;)
di Resta pits to try and cover Schumi.
hehe! :D
Jenson, you know that gap we talked about... could you make it bigger please?
That has always been my argument. They are only allowed to shoot when they think their gun is pointed at something important. My belief is they would all die of starvation
Ahh, I hadn't got it before :-)
Crofty and the tv director are causing much confusion today :s
Lets not... :D
Yay!
yeah... 0.9 wasn't what i was thinking about.. was more thinking 1.9..
Checo, if you could have done that from the start, you'd be P9 or something.
Nice one Perez
Naughty perez says Ant
Webber fastest lap
Vettel is almost right behind hamilton now too
ohhh plleeaaseee can Jenson win this..
Lewis is gaining on Button too, they're all compacting.
No, you're right let's not.
Jenson stop holding them all up :D
Mind games from the Red Bull mechanics
Schumacher fastest lap
Now Webber
hold Vettel off Hamilton... come on.. pleeaasseee.
ohhhhhhhh this is good.
Hamilton should hold up Vettel for his team!
Lewis is toast.
orrrr not
Got to protect Jenson now?
See how is that fair?
ohh phewww
Button pits too!
oooh loving this!
WHOA!
Jenson went in the red bull pits?!!!!
woot Crofty on the world feed!
Poor stop from Button....
???
NOOOOOOOOOOO *cries*
what???
talking about bungling a stop...
What on EARTH, Jenson?!
Jenson?!
Ohhh jenson...
oh crap.
Eh Jenson?
Button stopped in the wrong pit
Love the pits camera also catching a bit of Crofty's audio. :D
You don't even have Jaime's excuse of Abu Dhabi 09 of the liveries looking similar.
aw Jenson.. :( you got the start right and eveything...
I need a replay of that
genius.
oh dear jb.
Hehehe jenson
That is absolutely bizarre.
how to throw away a race.
Jenson should have parked in Vettel's pit. Then Lewis would have won
let's be fair, red bull mechanics and mclaren mechanics have very similar overalls ;-)
Hamilton's very slow too...
I thought that's what had happened.... He was so slow approaching the box, I didn't see him go right through the mechanics though!?
Massa ahead of Lewis???
ohhh mclaren, just hand it to red bull on a plate..
McLaren's race imploding before our very eyes.
Jenson "hm. This looks awfully....blue. Oh, oops!"
:(
Oooh if Jenson was trying to hold up Vettel by doing that it didn't work?
WTF if wrong with Lewis?
can't blame the team for that!
don't know which was more surprising
jenson going to the wrong pit, or vettel overtaking another car
The tyres? Massa beats him out!
Massa was outside the white line on the exit
Hmmm.
Wow Vettel just scored big against both McLarens
McLaren's race just fell apart in one lap
I missed that
oh dear.
yup
3 stopper for all the leading drivers, I guess.
Did the stewards see it?
i meant in total.. Lewis handing it to them and Jenson too. not blaming Mclaren.. just a collective *ergh* at both of their drivers..
no blaming the team from me. i'm not lewis :P
fair enough :D
I won't tell on him :)
Massa's hardly in contention for overtaker of the year, are we sure Lewis didn't have some issue? I can't imagine Massa being that wide away for an overtake...
Absoloutly hopeless by button.
MSC gets Alonso! YEEEES!
gooo nico!
rosberg is 2nd but has pitted???
Good pit stops for Mercedes?
Rosberg P1???
nice squeeze by Lewis:-)
I have absolutely no idea how this has happened.
He leads. :O
wait, WHAT???
ohhh Nico I WANT YOU TO WIN #wherestherealamy
Rosberg is leading the race. How?
okay so if Jenson can't win.. Rosberg must.
What is going on? Has Rosberg jumped Vettel because Button held up Vettel in the pit?
Sounds like a plan
*shrug*
BUT they will do an extra stop.
Rosberg's tyres can't be doing fantastic compared to the rest of everyone who stopped because he went early
Ha. I thought last race was confusing.
nice one schumi!
Mercedes? or Button?
This is the problem when you;re easily confused and a driver uses BUT as their abbreviation.. :)
:-)
I hate this, it's like wacky racers. Flipping heck.
Everyone's passing Heidfeld, why doesn't he get new tyres? Trying to stretch out a two-stopper?
my brain hurts......
:)
Both Mercedes. :D Sorry about that,
Agreed.
Last race was Inception, this race is Source Code.
If you were at the track you'd be so lost without Fanvision
I have no idea what is happening out there.
hehehe
Nico leads by 5 seconds?? That's... a lot. :O
Button seems to have screwed both himself and Vettel.
Where's Petrov?
A lot. I love it!
poor Jackson Burton.
Mark Webber... is 13th? Still nowhere.
Heidfeld could get a podium if he does 1 stop less than the others.
Jenson, do.not.let.vettel.run.away. pleaase
??
Heidfeld's pitting
its not that complicated!
nico has a great gap, but can he maintain it.
Poor stop again....
Somebody should make shoes out of the marbles and sell them to fans
how does hamilton is behind massa??
on the page where you buy Korean GP tickets they have a bit thats 'quotes from drivers' about the circuit and the very top one is Jackson Burton :D
Vettel closing in by around 0.5s a lap. Long way to go yet.
I dunno, it is pretty mental
first rookie win in 2 years wouldn't it?
TV director missed what happened.
Heeeeeeeehehe.
oh :(
We haven't had anyone lapped yet, but Rosberg is exactly the length of the back straight behind Liuzzi.
goo liuzzi :)
:D
Wonder how many of the uberfan contestants would have known that was wrong
Agreed, the only mystery is Rosberg and that was probably due to the Button/Vettel pit delay. Oh and how Massa passed Lewis but that's the TV director's fault.
Haha!
Jason Barton is my favorite too but he ruined it for himself.
Is this why I'm not following the action, must concentrate.
Wait, what did Ted just say?
fastest lap for JB!
he's doing one extra stop though.
he's followed by Vettel, Alonso, Rosberg and Webber who are all correctly spelt so I'm not quite sure how they got it so wrong.
Button goes fasted
Nico is slower than Seb is slower than Jenson.
he uses that sometimes in triathlons?
Jackson Burton sounds like a Gentlemenøs clothing label...
Looks like Massa is not being penalised for crossing the white line if he did
:D
Do we know where Hamilton lost out?
Can't spell, soz
They missed it. :D
Tyres degraded, fell like a rock.
Can you imagine this race on ITV with ad breaks?
The car is red
Told you I wouldn't tell! ;)
it would be just like watching it here with adbreaks *cry*
I can barely imagine it without breaks
Yes.
2add breaks so far :-(
Boooo #sorryamy
How about on Speed with ad breaks?
#goodtimes
Do we think Rosberg is in position or will he have an extra stop?
Did Massa cross the white line before it joins the edge of the race track or the one that is on the race track? Alonso crossed the one before the join which I think is allowed.
Hehe!
Rosberg is still holding that lead, not being caught.
go go go go go! You may not be Proper Finnish but I can't help but like you now.
Is that Sauber damaged?
Part of perez' nose is missing?
Something fell of alonso or shu
Jenson, channel brazil 2009..
Things seem to drop off those cars a lot more often than they used to....
ooh adbreak #3. Booo.
How is Massa sticking with Button
Not enough selotape
ahh how nice for Jock if this was a win on his last race on location :)
Ah ha, a mystery is solved. Down the back straight, Massa was behind Hamilton, he overtook him at the hairpin at turn 14 and then dove straight into the pits.
i (heart) f1 timing app. buy this thing people, buy it now.
Rosberg - lift 25 metres early
Rosberg's turning vane is wiggling around a lot
speaking of. Grrrrrrr
Hamilton is pushing him along?
ahh it's kobayashi#s car with the nose hole
It was probably that Buemi again.
I go back to my bbc stream during ads but it's not the ideal situation :(
BUEMI!!! *shakes fist*
Kobi's car FBFB, not Checo's
I tested out the onehd webstream to see if they have adbreaks, they dont show ads but they just go to a black screen that says 'we'll return to the f1 shortly' grrrrr.
ad break #5
I've not seen a replay
speed wins
I think it was just totally missed....
Schumi up in 6th too, mercedes not too shabby so far
It's 2006 all over again!
WOOOHOOO!
no, Vettel, stop closing that gap.
#goodtimes
The Ab Glider! 4am ads are the best. And they are endless.
Schumacher's the Silver Baron now
Schumi uses that Kers well to hold off Alonso
"I wonder if theres ever any good news that goes down the radio to Mark Webber"
heheheh I like Martin.
Webber - no KERS
have never wished for a red bull failure as much.. well as much as i did last week anyways.
Time to go to Hungary :)
McLaren what?!?
Button pits
right pit box, well done JB
eh?
ohh have they changed Jenson's strategy? ohh i hope this is the right decision.. ohh jenson..
Button on a 4 stopper??
:)
Seems like no-one can make a clean stop today....
Jenson pits!? Hope this strat works!
Wonder if he had a slow puncture?
oh he's never gonna live that down :(
I haven't seen any messages on it yet, too busy looking at other screens!
'is this just a moody lovely slo-mo or are we actually...no we're not'
:D
He needs the pit stop practice, he cant go on pitting in the wrong place all year!
Hehe.
did Alonso have his DRS active in that slow-mo?
Look how the drivers heads bounce going down the back straight!
fastest SS for Jenson.. make it work JB make it work.
did Alonso just use the rear wing where he is not allowed to?
Lewis pits
Lewis is pitting too?
be interesting to hear him explain it though
Have a feeling we won;t get pit radio from that moment
I have no idea what's going on....
That's what Matchett showed on the telestrator, Alonso had it open when he wasn't supposed to. He called it a violation.
Rosberg slow away
Alonso past schumi
Ohhh Rubens is still racing, thats nice
Hey folks,
Just popping in for a moment. The race is on in the media room - is Rosberg playing the long game and is Button sure he knows which team he drives for?
Alonso has overtaken Schumi.
Director missed that.
Certainly is a violation if it is open in the wrong area
That wheel is not on properly.
Jenson still ahead of Lewis.. phew. at least that's something.
thats what it looked like
The battle continues!
i think we can probably imagine what he muttered to himself.
Nice one Fernando
diResta ahead of Button. Stop the race
Jenson, no locking up. please.
Not anymore.
Jenson's past di resta
It was, it was circled in yellow and everything. :)
I do like him.
Hey folks, guess what? AD BREAK!
Crofty is saying he thought it was open too.
I like that this year you've become as biased as the rest of us with obvious favourites ;)
Work those abs!
must be time to move to the uk!
Ant and Crofty speculating dodgy rear wings
if i didn't have crofty i'd be completely lost
I really am not that biased.
Those grandstands look empty !?
Hamilton passed Di Resta
Lou has already requested to stop the race once today and I often do the same when Heikki is somewhere he shouldn't be :D
3.2 second lead for Vettel. well i suppose hoping for a different race winner was a bit optimistic.
hehhe
Now it's Maguires wax to protect my car, and now the perfect car battery, now ATV's.
They just have little people in them
You've missed your chance now Steven I'm afraid, they're both past...
You're not biased, you're just looking out fo Di Resta's career is all :P
It seems like this season we have ten laps of nothing followed by 3 laps of insanity during the pit stops
Errr my timing has Massa in 2nd? Is that a mistake?
Tilt shift or are you being mean?
Nope.
You can stop the race whenever you like as a rubens fan, I don't mind. Whenever you guys feel ready.
nope.
I just realised this is the first race I've watched in HD. It doesn't really look any different to me.
Why did Crofty say Alonso was in 2nd then?
gah ad. we are catching up Kai
Come on fake finn!!
vettel and massa appear to be on a different strategy.
WOW Nico.
Seb, Felipe's faster than you
O.O *claps Rosberg*
Go Nico
Not a goal you want to achieve.
all these ads are for man things. i'm watching toooooo!
I LOVE F1 IN 2011
Vettel gong to lose out here - dropping time on the old tyres
you can see the marbles better
:D
We can't hear vettel's radio, shame that
We can't hear him either...
RBR can't even make a radio work
RUBENS SIGHTING
yessss
Seb has finally revealed why he's been so good this year. Newey has replaced Vettel with a robot.
Also, noooo
thats actually what made me remember it was HD!
"ooh look at the marbles, hey wait, this is hd!"
yup. deffo agree.
No one can, not even his race engineers.
yessss! lovely move.
hehe
Oops Fernando!
but we won't get to hear the oscar speech!
nice jenson
Why is Alonso not pitting?
the robots want Lotus to win. The cartoon told me so.
Halfway point of the race: I have no clue who will win this race.
Never would have thought that before the start.
That was nice move on alonso by button
wow, ALonso struggling badly here
Yay for that
Brilliant isn't it?
And hamilton too!
Lewis/Fernando part 2
Good question. His turn to drop like a rock.
I guess this is the battle of 2 vs 3 stops
I can offer a clue - if anyone put money on Karthikeyan, might be time to give up I'm afraid
Ad break.
Alonso couldn't even try to defend against Hamilton
Lewis FL
Looks like Vettel
Are they showing any f1?
MSC now 11th.
woo hoo. just like refueling.
9th!
I kinda like it when the rubber comes off the tyres, you see happy little marbles dancing around
I'm hoping having to get all his messages by pit board might hinder him somehow
I can FBFB the ad breaks.
Speed ad, car batteries, tires,
boo. just like refuelling.
sidepodpanel
*prays red bull mess up their pitstops*
:)
we get cars, cars, car insurance, razors, burgers.
This is waaay more confusing that refueling!?
But nobody is 'waiting for the stops' because the stops are so short, its all on the track
Go massa!
oooh.. ooo... gooo massa!
Massa seems to be in great position with that 1 stop only
Now and then.
This is the way it always is, though. I'm just sharing the joy.
How rude, they didn't listen :(
Mistake on left rear....
really? am following all of it i think.
Martin very impressed with Massa
Lets hope the mclarens dont do a red bull in turkey impression
Hopefully team orders will help the mclarens now!
and webber advertising vitamins :D
Show us the McLarens
Go Lewis!!
Shoo lewis!
Too much going on to keep track of - action on track, trying to make sense of livetiming, looking at comments, FBFB - info overload!
Go on Lewis
Don't crash Lewis.
Hamilton is faster then you. Do u understand the message?
This is nothing like refuelling.
Why did Vettel pit?
Vettel needs to stop again I think.
25 lap stint is not possible.
crofty helps.. :)
Refueling on steroids me thinks
Jenson, do not let Lewis pass...
Alonso pits at last
hamitlon on hards?
Red Bull in turkey doesn't sound very appetizing.
the mechanic kicked the camera!
I definatly prefer it to refueling. Its not all about 1 lap in the race. every lap counts
and fuel stops were so predictable, this is 'why is he pitting NOW?'
Wow!!
He seems to have ended up on a halfway house between strategies... Too long for 2 stop but not soon enough to get the benefit of 3 stops?
Webber put himself in a crazy position
Was kind of expecting him to go way off then, so far offline
pit stop recovery? hehe :)
Same, apart from what FOM miss :)
Could rosberg still win?
Massa did the same thing!
When will this season give me a safety car
happy sunday to you too crofty :)
Good race for Schumi,
Just his teammate is 25 seconds in front of him.
Glock could still win with all the logic that applies to racing this season
Main focus is the TV, second is timing, then trying to catch up with comments/tweets when I can..
crossed white line twice???
If he hasn't been on hards yet, nope, he can't.
I still say Roserg's in a really good position here
Oh :-(
Coulthard says thats allowed.
no! no need!
hm. Watching the race? Good idea. :) I'll try it.
Indeedy, bit dodgy
this race certainly doesnt :)
Mind you without the timing app I'd be more lost
Why not? Surely almost the whole top 10 is going to have to stop again and put hards on?
Vettel slowr than mclarens and rosberg. Hope button can get through rosberg without delay
Natalie says he's being investigated
Impressed with Rosberg
Vettel's already on hards.
Or they're waiting to hear about massa crossing the white line anyways
oohh no.. Lewis go away..
No way he'll last until the end though??
Hehe Lewis v jenson
Is he too short to see the white line?
Ad break.
*cries*
OOhhh jenson...
Go Lewis
weak jenson, very weak.
woo!
Button flipping heck don't do that...
Oooooo yes!
Cringe!!!
Crofty just compared turn 1 to a curly wurly hehehehe!
Great move Lewis
Wow, Hamilton passes Button who had to duck out of the way, that could've been an accident
Jenson looked like he dummied a chop
wow!
It was either that or no points, really.
I'm watching a Fram air filter ad. :(((
Hamilton with a mental dive
jenson was half asleep there.
Just as bad as Vettel on lap 1 that... Bad bad bad.
www.firstrowsport…rt/motosport.html
*sigh* this race could have gone so so well..
So the Massa thing will be the thing that changes the result a few hours later then ;)
Button's already dropped 2 secs from Lewis
I just hope he was napping and didn'treally see where Lewis was rather than malicious.
Jenson gave him room. Not sure if it was a pretend chop or he just didn't know Lewis was going through
isn't that more enjoyable to watch because we know it had nothing to do with DRS?
what is the pit time penalty here? how far ahead does Nico and co have to be ahead to come out in front of Vettel?
There's still chance of a podium so don't get too disheartened :)
YES
I don't mind, personally
Button pitting.
Oooh, Button coming in, watch out Red Bull...
DRS is working well today
Alonso seems to have that move to perfection. Force the guy in front to go tight to the apex and pass him on the exit
am very disappointed in Jenson today. he better have a good excuse for that disaster of a pitstop. I know i'm bad at directions sometimes..
Makes no odds to me. I rarely can tell what is and isn't to do with DRS :)
DRS, different quality rubber.
Theoretically yes, but in practice not a huge amount of difference
Button on hards
*hugs christine* soo nice to know it's not just me.
I;d agree with that :)
right. can we have some rain please?
*grasping at straws*
Same here. :)
exactly. Can't complain because the race is enjoyable!
Maybe the track will sink somewhere
ooh Button that was a bad lockup
*Looks at Sauber positions*
Yes.
I agree
Flat spot for Jenson on his outside front tyre?
not good on the tyres you're trying to finish with!
was before his stop tho. so no harm done.
It was the old tyres, he's got other ones on now.
ahh, thats good for him :)
cool!
Hamilton now on hards or softs?
i heart crofty so so much when he tells me good news like this :)
Vettel 6secs ahead of hamilton
I wonder what will the number of overtaking maneuvers at the end of the race:-)
Well, if Massa doesn't get a post-race penalty, Alonso might.
That Webber/Schumi battle was brillianT!
Ooh just had deja vu...
That has to be a penalty for opening the DRS outwith the zone
BBC finally spot the Alonso DRS "error" - possible penalty?
why?
ROsberg pits
gooo Nico!
Rosberg ...
fastest lap for jenson again..
Rosberg gets out ahead of Lewis
Button FL
Hmm, depends on whether that was the fault of the car or of Race Control?
come on Rosberg. do it for Jock..
Hamilton took the wrong line there
JB Fastest Lap
Something weird happened there. Was that a mistake from Lewis? Or did Rosberg move on the straight?
For all the complaints of DRS there's been overtaking opportunities at various corners not just the DRS hairpin
DRS Time
Isn't the button driver-controlled, though? Race Control can only control who can turn it on or off.
But surely for it to open he HAS to have pressed the button?
Yes
Indeed.
could be a software error, they'll look into it I'm sure
Deary me Lewis...
ouch Lewis
Was that a legal move?
who was that in the pits? and why isn't it me?..
thats a lovely mustache
From who?
Fuel is critical for Nico
WHy show us people standing in the pits???
Because of the mustache!
ahh, nico can't fight :(
dont run out of fuel :( :(
they're closing on Massa rapidly
ah boo no refuelling is mean :(
noooooooooooooo Nico
What Alonso DRS error?
Rosberg's head is bouncing up and down in the cockpit
Underfueled car vs. car with flatspotted tyre. Who wins? Vettel.
Mistakes from Mercedes then eh....
I'm sure there's a Di Caprio joke to be made
fight anyway nico.. fight till the end!
It opened when he was following Schumacher in the wrong part of the track
Come on Lewis
Boooo Maldonado getting in the way
Hamilton will get rosberg. Just a matter of time. And then we have to hope Vettel's tyres drop off!!
From McLaren Live Timing:
Nice move Lewis
JB is catching Lewis and Nico... *prays*
such weak defence going on through the field.
Rosberg's race will now be managed from 5th.
Massa wont be penalised
It's over for Lewis surely?
Pinky says no penalty for Massa
Hello stewards decision later on today!
sounds like you're talking about football :)
Errrr why not???
*sigh *
Can't believe Massa is still P2
0.4 between Jenson and Hamilton... gooo Jenson.
3 weeks till the next race, no need to bother with a decsion in the next 24 hours
If Nico is critical on fuel, does that mean he has been slightly lighter the whole race or is that amount so small that is doesn't make a huge difference?
Wbber fastest laps
Particularly as he's done it twice today. Have a rule or don't. Don't have a rule then say it doesn't matter.
Agreed
If Vettel's tyres go off, he can win this race.
As long as he finishes within 25 seconds of a Sauber...
I agree.
for a car that was 20 seconds shy of starting from the pitlane, i'm stunned lewis is still running.
come on Jenson, overtake Rosberg.. what happens if the tyres of vettel and massa drop off like ant and crofty keep saying..
Odd Renault moment
Start defending soon - Rob
good point
mclaren did good.
ooooh another bit of the suaber has gone...
Far too optimistic from Checo surely.
DC gets his name right!
Perez put his own car in trouble there
Webber 3 seconds a lap faster than Alonso in front of him.
Points for Jenson, he's asked to go to Japan to keep doing fundraising efforts with his girlfriend.
That was definitely Perez' fault
A bit of "a Vettel" there.... Moving back over before he was properly past.
Good news DC just acknowledged the extra i he's been putting in Heidfeld's name.
During the race?
:) <3
:D
heheh
Go on Hamilton!
Heh does that mean "calm down lewis"
hehe, umm... I think it was before...
Jenson please overtake Rosberg soon.
gooooooo lewis!
goooo Lewis!
nice one Lewis!
Time to go get vettel!!!
heheheheh croft 'go get him!'
man, this race is cracking!
Man Lewis is FLYING
hehe snap
Look how tight Lewis was on the exit of the last turn!!!. He was only halfway across the road
I might go back and watch this later to see how many times 5 live have said 'Weve got a race on our hands'
5 live catch phrase of the day 'we've got a race on our hands!'
it really is.
but why isnt jenson!!
He can't get Vettel can he? Do they both need to stop again?
he's not as good.
:D
AND its China!!
good question. he will get nico sooner or later, though.
alonso with an issue?
you're mean..
HEI and PER are being investigated by the stewards
yaaaaayyyy
I know :(
and he has.
he did it! and i wasn't looking!!
Webber's really picked up the pace since the first couple laps
Lewis took 9/10 out of Vettel on that la[
I'm shocked.
stupid 2 stopping Vettel, everyone passed you, STOP LEADING THE RACE.
It wasn't on the tv I don't think....
Button, passed rosberg, now on Massachusetts. Nice!
Come on Jenson!!!!!
heheheheheheh dave 'lets have massa go on!'
i like that his engineer is called dave.
Hamilton catching Vettel!! Gonna be a great end to a great race
hrt weaving!
Just realised I hadn't even looked at Heikki's position for the whole race because the action up the front has been too good #sorryHeikki
Deja vu for Button. Massa is intense at defending.
ban them!!!!!
another podium please Jenson.. thats the least you can do for your team..
ABout to get lapped by Vettel
Vettel pitted on lap 31
Lewis pitted on lap 39
Can Vettel make his tyres last??
Good drinking game- drink every time David Hobbs says "clag" referring to rubber build up offline.
Is he beating the williams? on merit?
This is getting intense! Vettel's fastest isn't anything on Lewis's
yup
Just do what I've done with rubens and just say he;s in something or another somewhere, like 56th or something
Ooh, that's not a nice word.
good point from Tony Fernandes - Lap 46 and Heikki's still on the same lap as the leaders.
Yellow flag
Ahead of Maldonado
Sauber crashing again, oh dear
Big party tonight then if he can finish!
Checo's awful race continues...
sutil you muppet
Oh nice one perez
he says it incessantly. And a fan 'helped' by giving him 'clag-myre'.
Perez has his optimism turned up to 11 today
ooh Heikkis on my telly!
who is perez going to hit next?
:)
What's wrong with Marbles?
Himself, in some crazy situation
Medion must pay well...
C'MON LEWIS!!!
Perez has a penalty
Jenson, please overtake massa now..
What a day
No idea. Did you hear Pirelli wanted them to stop and start calling it 'toffee'? Not a joke.
Lewis and Heikki together again ♥
Gooooo Lewis!!
1.6secs
This is why having Kobayashi as a number 1 is a bad idea.
Button unable to get past Massa.
patience Lewis....easy now
Lewis took 1.3 s off Vettel
come on JB - if Vettels tyres go, we could have a 1-2......
best team mates everrrrrrr
would Red Bull want to hear what Vettel is saying right now?
Ant says Vettel sounds like a Dalek :D :D
?
hehehe crofty and ant say if the team can't hear vettel they may not have heard him say that his tyres are shot and he needs to stop..
mmmm. Toffee is always positive.
Isn't that obvious to see!?
Yeah that will be the excuse won't it?
because it's all soft and stuff and because it hardens up like toffee
Apparently it must be yummy to eat too
Jenson.. pllllleeeeeeaassseee over take massa.. it's massa for heavens sake..
Vettel can still signal to the pits though?
Buttons done him!
All I have now is the mental image of vettel going EX-TER-MINATE LEW-IS EXTERMINAAATE thanks to the dalek comparison
it could be the team want him to stay out like mclaren did with lewis last week.
Done.
They clearly know what he wants but they won't stand for it :D
Morse code?
YES JENSON! podium!
luvly......
Yes jenson!
apparently he has
2 fingers or 1?
It was a poorly timed stop. I've said all along he was going to want another stop. They pitted too early for 2 stops and too late for 3. A total bungle.
Pirelli said the consistency is more like toffee (the chewy kind), not marbles or clag. But when it hits you in the head, it's not as sweet, I guess.
Jenson on the podium, WOO!!
I remember Schumi tapping the airbox once though?
The steering wheel has affirmative and negative buttons
well spotted!
i'm kinda excited for the prospect of a pass on track for the lead.. and it wont be vettell..
This is amazing!
This is gonna be a collison
GO GO GO
Yup.
my word!!
I can't watch
Wow!
oh.my.god. Hamilton i'm not even a fan but come onnn!
OMG
GO LEWIS!
*grips bed*
another winner is always a plus :D
COME ON LEWIS
I really can't watch. Someone tell me when he's past please
Rosberg got past Massa as well.
Another perez penalty.. can't help but laugh now, what a shocking day...
Perez has ANOTHER penalty?
anyone by vettel..anyone
Nice from rosberg
You're suprised?
Rosberg and Massa. Massa goes wide.
WHy show us that you muppet?
erm Mark Webber made up nearly FIVE seconds on Massa on the last lap. What....?
even schumacher?
come oooooon
WHat are you doing Lewis???
even schumacher!!!
wow
WEB 5th!!
That's the cliff the tyres go off.
that pesky schumachers got me liking rosberg, grr
No Kers for vettel
no, just sorry for him...
Nobody can say the racing isnt better with these tyres now
:o
He's got him!!!
I feel sick I just can't watch this.
YESSSSSSSSSS
and when Massa went wide?
GOOOO LEWIS!
Ha.
Lewis!!!
WOW.
AAAAAAAAA
Webber superquick
Hamilton leads!
Thank god for that
YEEESSSSSSS
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!
woooooooooooooooo!
Awesome move Lewis
He's through !! Now run away boyo
now everyone pass please, i want rosberg on the podium!
I'd say there's been a fair mix of overtaking in and out of the DRS areas! Love it!!
did that just happen... ? really?? 4 laps before the end?
Buttons hungry for vettel
did webber and vettel swap cars at the last round of pitstops? ;-)
Surely Jenson can't catch Vettel...
.......can he?
me too
I think so?
is this actually formula 1 have i switched sports?..
The mute expressions on the Red Bull wall :D
From fuel leak to lead.
did the overtaking in the DRS zones have much to do with the DRS then?
amazing.
ohh it's good to see Christian horner without that smug look on his face.. just for a race.. *phew*
Look of pain on Horners face...sweet
It'd be on the last lap if he can but I guess the tyres are only going to get worse for Vettel from here.
Di Resta defending 9th from Petrov and Kobi.
This is amazing
Even though Pirelli off-road tyres are rubbish i am tempted to buy some! :D
I really hope that car holds together!
Webber?!
Jenson, you see that p1... that could have been yours... silly boy.
I bet the BBC still go and talk to him though
JB 1.7 faster than Vettel last lap.........
can he.....?
Anyone have any thoughts on driver of the day? :D
Half the credit goes to those mechanics who fixed him up with minutes to go
I hope Lewis makes it to the chequered flag, I like his stat of winning at least once each year since he debuted :)
webber catching him would be funnier
THIS is what Pirelli were asked to do ... make tyres that allow for overtaking at the end of the race :D
yep, under so much pressure.
of course. i'm looking forward to it.
Lewis.
I can give you worst driver...
Seriously, first half of the race Rosberg, second half Hamilton.
He had better shower his team with praise for this!
Button's not going to make it unless Vettel makes a major mistake.
hamilton
perez has been entertaining
webber has done a good job today
rosberg?
Oooh webber....
OH MY GOURD
well done webber
webber?
Rubens!!
I don't even know if he;s still racing *looks*
Heikki for beating a Sauber and a Williams :D
Messy but it worked!
:)
BREAKING NEWS
he is.
Webbers going to get P3
Sauber who had two penalties #burstingbubbles
Vettel getting unlapped hahaha.
Mark leave Jenson alone. pleasee.
Agreed.
Will a Williams finish???
Don't look back button. Just drive!
it still counts!
Lewis is 4 seconds ahead of Vettel
Not in my crazy mind...
Both!?
Crofty brings up the best metaphors :)
Come on jenson
It's a dream come true!
i can't look.. Jenson.. just drive.. pleaassee
giving webber driver of the day if he gets on the podium
Alonso is out there somewhere too
oh come on.. not long now. hang on Jenson.. please save this race..
:(
Webbers got him :(
wooooooohoooooo
done/
Ohhh blimey....
amazing race by Webber.
same
that looked too easy
Block the inside line Jenson
MSC closing in on him.
for sure
Fantastic webber
Jenson gave him that
Poor button. But what a move and race by webber!
OK yeah you're right - Webber done good today.
I'm glad Lewis has shown you he's not useless with tyres!!!
wow. This could really help Webber's season........
Been a strange day of good and bad for Jenson...
Di Resta out of the points now in 11th
Everyone will forget by the next race :(
Anything good at all will help.
Yay!
I've forgotten already
In the last three laps Lewis has taken 5.2 seconds out of Vettel. Jenson has barely gained on Vettel at the same time
Lewis!!!
Driver of the day:
Hamilton!!!
finally, a non Vettel win!!!! Woo!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!
What a race.............. fantastic.
yay for no vettel winning.. boo for Jenson's lack of podium.
Varsha goes on about the red driver suits, dragons and good luck. Does he know they're not in them today?
Definitely.
best race in aaaaaaaaages. Why weren't the ones I went to that good :D
Alonso beaten by Massa again...
'i think we need to stop because our brains are frazzled' Ant :)
♥
18th to 3rd. Good job, Webber.
I feel for Ant's frazzled brain
yeah shame. Not how I saw it going at all!
What a drive by Webber
18th to 3rd with no saftey cars!
Button did screw Vettel with that pit blunder though too. How many seconds did he lose there?
Awesome race
Sad for jenson but what a great run from Lewis and Mark
Team orders to put his own races into ruin to help Hamilton?
Congrats to Lewis!!!
agreed!
jb threw that win away
Wow, what a race. Two years ago you could have given Jenson a podium and written Mark off after 10 laps, gone and mown the lawn and come back to see them come home but now every lap is important. Amazing new era I reckon. Can't wait to go to Silverstone but how on earth are we going to follow it all?
i wanna know what JB is saying.....
In that case he would just have parked in Vettels slot
Webber showed again that every now and then, he's true class.
That really was some drive from Webber as he was nowhere in the first part of the race
2 Tilke tracks, 2 great races. Who woulda thunk it
i know :( ... gutted.
only lapped by 5 cars <3 BRING ON THE UPGRADE!
he did a jaime :)
Ant was saying "why are the mechanics waving him through?" It's a bit like IT'S OBVIOUS!? He's completely in the way.
1-2. But Lewis won by 5.
Yaaaay rubens finished a race!
HRT actually finished too?!
And was 5 up for the last couple of la[s
I just got a text from a friend that I didn't know had ever watched an F1 race in her life
"Even I found the end of that race exciting"
well done to both Willamses
celebrations!
Only because he could pull away once he was past. What lap did he get round on? He might well have run out of road, it's very hard to tell.
and dont forget, only one retirement too.
I like F1 2011 :)
THAT is how a race should end. Well done Pirelli!
HEIKKI AND LEWIS <3
Heikki !!
Good on Heikki for coming up to congratulate Lewis
Awww is that Heikki ♥
Nice one Heiiki
Only remaining question:
Will Alonso get a penalty for the DRS error.
Can't wait to see his interview
Nice to see that Red Bull are not bulletproof!
awww heikki is so lovely
I can't believe he has not had one already
excellent stuff!
driver of the day: webber did very well driving for a team that hates him. but i was most impressed with massa i think.
what a guy :)
I wonder if DC is saying Hamilton is DOTD because he doesn't want to appear Red Bull biased?
I hope so. Both Ferraris escaping an obvious penalty would be a bit much
That was the Massa of old, not who we've seen for the last year or so
#points
Have a good Sunday peeps. Been a pleasure!
Great drive from him.
Bye Steve
A lot of great drives today.
Driver of the day for me has to be Lewis but Webber, Massa and Rosberg were all impressive
it was only open for a short while, genuine mistake forgiven by the stewards?
are the drivers able to open it at any time but only allowed when they get a light on the dash?
He was very good but he did fall off the road under pressure from Rosberg. He could have hung onto that I think.
Lewis is so emotional!
aw someone happy to win.
Hey Alonso. Massa. Is. Faster. Than. You.
Can you confirm you understand this message? ;)
See ya Steve
big smiles!!!
:)
first person to ever win this race twice :D
I need a laydown to get over that.......
Great race! have a good Sunday, peeps :) *waves*
Another week where everyone seems pretty happy on the podium. Even Vettel!
awww okay i can deal with him winning. but my goodness i'm disapointed.
Awww. Not a big hamilton fan but really pleased for him, maybe the anti-Vettel in me is just happy to see someone else win ;)
that was alonso's worst showing for a long time.
Surely they want to see the race results before they decide ;)
Thanks Barrie, you too!
He's got the moody look on now though!
I can undersatnd that totally.
I still don't understand why Webber was so useless in the first half of the race
oh Lewis, what is in your mind!
Struggling with tyres?
Is it because he was on the hard tyres & most of the rest were on softs?
See ya Barrie
So when does Lewis get his penalty?
This is also a win for the McLaren mechanics.
Superb job just before the start.
Oh lovely bit of banter there involving who gives out the trophies :D
Maybe
That is an ugly trophy. well done Mark and Lewis
Sorry Lou. :(
I need to get a screen cap of Lewis and Heikki to make it into my wallpaper <3
Is that a Spitoon?
No idea.
di Resta under investigation. Shocking
stuck in traffic?
the trophy is not a mug, i repeat, not a mug
Agreed. #points
so, in the end Vettel stretches his lead in the championship?
Great job by them
You don't pour champagne into your trophy and not drink from it Hamilton.
hehe so nearly his 10th win.. so so nearly! it's annoying cause he really didn't help himself.
Just watching the start of the Marathon & have spotted my first Womble #happyfortherestoftheday
Every race win is a win for the mechanics
Yep.
I never understand how people all seem to come from so far back and get on the podium. It's like qualifying is totally pointless. I mean Button's not a mug, so how do you get beaten by someone who started 18th??
The trophy looks like something out of Wall-E
Ohhh rats. I was going to do a live post.
Erm... driver error?
#sorryLou
sidepodcast.poste…heikki-hugs-lewis
well.. getting the right pit crew may help you..
woooo! That deserves a sidepodcast donation :D
I think the race was too fantastic to be thinking about it until now
Lewis' criticism of the team in the pre-race interview? All is forgiven.
Not just him, it wasn't a personal thing. You could say the same about Rosberg, Massa, Alonso etc etc etc. If starting so far back gives such a strategy advantage, I just can't make any sense of it at all.....
oh Jenson what on earth were you thinking?..
I wonder what Seb thought of seeing Jenson parking in his spot
Whitmarsh quite critical of Jenson there
It's due to the stupid quali rules. People who go out in Q1 have at least two more sets of new soft tyres. Utterly insane rules
He was in that spot last year, maybe he just went back to thinking he had to stop there?
#graspingatreasons
Donation, good idea!
No, I think it's great that a guy who qualifies lower down gets a chance to save his race.
i dont blame him
The first ten on the grid are stuck with starting on their qualy tyres whilst the others are not...
Also as Mark went out in Q1 without using softs he had brand new sets to use....
nooo mum dont skype me now
show us the Rocket Red!
Why should he get an advantage for doing a worse job?
VET BUT HAM? They're stuck in Malaysia. :D
sorry - poppd back - BBC Fail - top three?
Vet But Ham? NOOOOOOO
Bernie interfering with the race result
It just seems very weird. Every week I seem to think of someone managing to make it up right through the field and in front of front runners with strategy that only seems open to them because they're behind. It totally baffles me.
Watch Red Bull sort out their KERS for Turkey.
6 different leaders today. Awesome.
How long until RB gets the KERS working?
i disagree. otherwise the pole sitter leads and wins. so why bother watching on sunday?
looking down?!?!?!
Lewis, get rid of the ear rings and the silly beard
Jenson has no explanation for his brainfade
Why is starting 18th an advantage? It was great driving to not collide with anyone, use his tyres properly and climb back into the points!
There he is!!!
hehe, vettel called jenson's move 'a bit like the toro rosso' :)
Ahh we do get a Hornerview.
If someone outqualifies his team mate and gets through to Q3 and ends up P10 to his team mate's P11 the team mate he has outqualified gets the bonus of an extra set of fresh tyres. How is that fair?
Webber (or anyone outside top 10) has nothing to do with a different winner today, it's a separate issue.
hehe
but toro rosso mechanics and red bull mechanics do at least look similar
not saying it was? just saying it's good that those who go out early have more free tyres.
well Jenson thinks the first pitstops didn't affect his race, so i'm gonna hold the faith that it wasn't that one mistake the ruined my morning.
At least when jenson's had a dodgy day he's still positive and upbeat about things.
The team mate in Q3 can choose not to run or to just use hard tyres for qualy and scrub them in....
he's farther up the field? ergo, lower chance of an accident at the start etc.
Ohh the earings...
I'd just really like to see what happened if someone decided to just sit out quali. I don't think they'd do all that badly.... I think chasing grid positions the way they do clearly isn't worth it.
he's good at staying positive after rubbish races. He's had years of practice
#hondagrrr
They can use the same tyres from Q2?
hehe, bless lewis.
But the point it he has done a better job and gets penalised for it. Do we really want no-one to run in Q3 to save tyres? Because that is what Webber's result today suggests is a better plan
Aww Lewis thanks his team. Well done lad.
Petrov did just that if you think about it....
They'd fail the 107% rule...
Its probably worth doing Q2, I dont think using a set of tyres in Q3 is nececarily worth it at a high wear race
oh NOW lewis loves the team. #fickle
the car is pretty good too
Aaargh German!
With the benefit of hind sight they may have adjusted Sebs 2 stopper....
It's not 14 places better than Buttons
soo pleased i'm not the only one thinking that.
oops mark almost said it's good Lewis beat seb :-)
red bull have been far too optimistic about what the hard tyre is capable of this weekend
He really needs to think about what he says sometimes..
dear seb, jenson is not a torro rosso..
he's always had that issue tho lol
Especially considering Webber ran so many sets of softs...
yup.
To be fair, you can say he's consistent. Criticize the bad and praise the good.
I wonder where Ferrari would have been on a 3 stopper....
We'll never know....
Crofty sounds a bit hoarse but I'm not surprised after commentating that!
I had no idea the tv runs on such a delay? I watched a lot of this on the 5 live feed and now it's happening all over again.
I wonder after 2 great tilke races if abu dhabi are reconsidering their modifications
skype is over, looks like i didnt miss much :D
:D
Whenever Mark gets a sttubble/beard he reminds me of Desperate Dan
www.johnbarber.co…desperate-dan.jpg
i've quite often watched all of the presser on my tv before bbc shows it, because the bbc always shows other on the spot interviews first
abu dhabi will still be rubbish
#sorrynick
ME TOO!
You've have got to say Pirelli have done a good job...
Hah Mark is reading the comments :D
No I don't
Based on what?
why do i recognise the music? the tiredness is getting to me
Be a Lewis then....
Agreed!
When your own teams thinks it's somewhat a good thing Vettel didn't win again...
seconded
She was probably just teasing you?
Pirelli caused a mess. An amusing mess but a mess nonetheless.
I think any set of circumstances that allow for a lead change at the end of the race has to be appluaded!
See the amusement ... but not the mess...
Yes! The RED in the McLaren garage!
Paul Di Resta is definitely the BBC's new golden driver ;)
Competition yellow?
Don't be such a raincloud on such a bright sunny day!
You can't seriously be unhappy with the race today? It was brilliant!
who's up for some post race voicemails?
+44 121 28 87225
as long or short as you like.
it's the band i keep hearing thinking they are passion pit.. but they aren't..
one coming in a bit!
How are low tech tyres the same as stopping a race?
Will do after the forumn matey :)
Will try after my football match... again.
only one retirement? wow.
I don't agree. All these overtaking moves we're seeing are either against sitting ducks or around cars that are hampered by no DRS on the straight. I think you'd be able to see the real skill without such weird situations arising.
Haha DC gets corrected on the Heidfeld thing!
Except no Kimi....
Gavin said any circumstance that allows a late lead change is good. No its no necessarily so
di Resta may disagree with you - his tyres were a complete mess at the end!
I have given you money in lieu of a voicemail. Booo voicemails.
I don;t get it, there was plenty of overtaking that wasn't on the straight or the hairpin but just trying too get past in proper fights
Agree, they were asked to make another Canadian GP and we got one. They met their brief.
Neither do I. I cannot see how anyone couldn't have enjoyed that?
Victory shirt for DC :D
heheheh yes DC wear the red top.. red bull with hate it
I think so - nice to see one of the drivers I support on a high during the "golden boy" phase :)
Like the DC top freebie.
Kinda scared to see what actually happens in canada though'!
:D
If there's such a difference in tyre condition, it's hardly a skilful overtake.
MUCH better than last year though?
I'm switching to the marathon in the daily, cheers and enjoy the forum :)
right. time to rush into the shower.. back in a bit. silly morning races.
oh go on david put it on
I must have totally missed some of the defensive battles then that went just generic overtakes...
*weren't, even
Interesting choice of music. I like it! :)
Why does it have to be skillfull? You can have a mixture of skillfull pases and regular ones.
Not every goal in football is amazing, sometimes people accidently pass it to the other team and they score stright away
DOCTOR WHOOOO advert!!
oops, onto the red button...
Yeah that could be mad
It's just like all the great overtakes when one car had a tankful of petrol more than the other.
Things like Lewis passing Jenson without DRS on equal strategy are devalued because of passes where the driver being passed is a sutting duck
Which was only because his team didn't put the tyre on properly. No correctly-installed components failed today (unless you count Hamilton's pre-race troubles).
The skill is being on the right tyre at the right time
I don't know. It was better than last week when I could watch it with timing. I'm gonna have to cope with watching almost all of them on delay this season and tbh the commentators don't give you enough information to understand what's happening without the timing. You almost need to make your own chart as you go through of what tyre people are on and how many stops they've had.... Then the tv director misses several major moves. I don't get how you're supposed to know what's going on.
I'm still worried Alonso could get disqualified...
Hahaha the winning top on DC :D
Red Bull will not be happy. :D
I'm still hoping Alonso will get disqualified.
You've got your wish!
Back to sleep for me. An exciting race seems to have interrupted my peaceful sleep! ;)
Good night/morning all.
DC in rocket red
Nice to see the McLaren guys were not prepared to give up
Night Kai
I may struggle to remember it if it's anything like last year
#lackingsleepduetolemans
i like the welsh guy
Why am I not surprised they call him Taf :D
My conclusion after this race then is that there is no pleasing some fans. I honestly don't know what you guys want from F1. Last year was boring because the tyres were too hard and there was little overtaking, this year there's too much tyre wear and overtaking???
Which would still be there if there was no DRS whatsoever.
very original :P
Sort of. Almost always though someone would overtake and then the car they got round would peel off into the pits on that lap. It's all a bit pointless.
Tyre management should be a required driver skill.
Ah, so that's why nobody was bothering to record the words spoken in the McLaren garage at that point, only ambient noise!
he must be related to my grandad. I didn't learn his real name until I was about 15 :D
red bull are going to love that :)
Awesomes.
#points for McLaren for making DC wear a Rocket Red shirt!
On the same day again?
Bernie really likes to hit the competition!
I never said that before. I think I even left a voicemail last season saying I enjoyed Bahrain :P I guess you can't please everyone but this doesn't please me.
Incident form and a good memory. It does take a certain amount of attention though. Dad and I worked out what was going on but Mum had to rely on us to explain the situation.
I think people are being overly positive about this season. This is much better than fuel stop racing but you can't think people overtaking by flattening a wing is proper overtaking. You can't think a driver who qualifies 15 places behind his team mate should be handed the advantage of two sets of fresh soft tyres over drivers who did a far better job with far worse equipment
You're lumping everyone together like that? From what I've seen, everyone wants different things from it.
Yeah I think I remember you did. What do you want to see in an F1 race then? Because I would stop watching F1 very quickly if there were more Bahrains...
Oh, I'd like Paul to score points, but it's a shame (if justified by the regulations) for that great drive to be discounted through a failure in the DRS override. Bit like Sauber in Australia.
Did you hear the Crofty audio there? :D
Haha, Brundle. HOW DID HE DO THAT?!! :)
Not necessarily. I'm a little mystified that people didn't enjoy the race today?
Just to say if you want to see the professional runners in the marathon now's the time, I think their races may end during or soon after the forum..
they cut to him, ant and jason in the box. no idea why?
i loved it. this is my kinda f1. this is what i missed last year. #nodownshifting
Very quick reactions eh!
I'm sad that Ferrari haven't tweeted they deserved the win yet
part of the world feed, 'artistic' camera angle
:D
yeah, they didn't do it again. poor cameraman had to walk all the way up there.
Different people complaining.
We saw a lot of FOM cameramen in silly places in Malaysia. Poor guy, you finally get into F1 and they make you stick your camera through a hedge.
heheheheheheheh!!
Because different fans want radically different things, some mutually exclusive.
Same here. Was absolutely brilliant, and I don't care if there were artificial reasons - it was so enjoyable and completely different from the drudgery of some races last year. I wouldn't have got up live to see the Chinese Grand Prix if the rules were the same as last year.
What was he looking at?
His shoes?
Also some are complaining about the artifice and/or that the balance is in the middle.
I did sort of. I really don't enjoy watching things I don't perceive to be "fair". I think giving advantages to drivers that have ended up behind, whether that be tyres or DRS is intrinsically unfair.
Red Bull aren;t speaking to him now he's been infected with rocket red
asked 5live on twitter, they didn't know either :)
OK fair enough. So if the fans want very different things and are not enjoying it, how do we expect the rulemakers to get it right?
Does Formula 1 not have it's identity defined so well these days?
:D
We need more normal people responses! No PR stuff!
I'd have LOVED it if they'd pulled his wheel off
I think this race was won by the best strategy. A three-stops plan was better than the one Vettel follow, but anyway, I think Red Bull proved again the potential of their car.
Webber, starting from the very back of the grid, finished 3rd, and Vettel was second visiting his box only twice.
McLaren drivers did it excellent, as well as Schumacher. This one was a good race for him.
ooh Red Bull man being controversial
he thinks jb was cheating?
ooh I wondered that too
As usual!
gave lewis the win?
Yeah great stuff DC!
I doubt it. Cost himself more time than it cost them.
really not helping people like them..
but it helped lewis.
Sacrificial move perhaps?
If I had to cheat I'd prefer to do it in a way thats a whole lot less embarrassing
As if JB did that on purpose.... He's hardly a number 2 driver at that team... He was leading the race!
How many contracts are Red Bull exterminatng tonight?!
If he was cheating he would have stayed there longer. I wonder what would happen if he had just parked there and turned off his engine
Barely.
Sportscars are perfectly capable of generating their own clashes because the various leagues can't even co-ordinate between themselves (there's an ILMC race clashing with an ALMS round, causing a problem for American ILMC entrants), let alone co-ordinate with other categories!
Jake and DC are just like 'well that was awkward....'
That guy's been spending too much time with Mark Webber clearly.... Is paranoia infectious? ;)
agreed.
Understood. 2010 was very fair and even. That's probably why it was so hard to overtake?
if at all!
I think it's absolutely mental that people think he did that on purpose!
Jenson said that pitstop wouldn't have changed anything, he was struggling with his tyres.
it did a bit. vettel almost came to a stop.
don't give Schumi any ideas
I don't care if it's hard. It lets you appreciate the talent of those that manage it. I don't think I want to really watch people conserving equipment and calling that a talent. I don't enjoy that.
how many seconds did it cost Vettel, and how many seconds did he lose the race by?
just a mistake by jb
Balancing probabilites and catering to the most people possible while still adhering to the fundamental role and culture of F1.
it made no difference to jenson's final result, i agree. but it did help lewis a little.
Felipe, Fernando would like you to park in Red Bull's pit box
So Lewis would have overtaken two laps from the end instead of four.
it does raise the question, what happens if someone did that intentionally.
"massa, park in the red bull box and do not move"
Judy Murray says "How pumped is Lewis Hamilton? Gr8 race. Looked like he was loving that champagne shower too.Cud we hav a bit of that at tennis finals?;)"
something like that, yeah.
I missed half the races last year because they weren't exciting.
that's all i need to know :)
but you know Jenson is always nice to his team mates :)
Big ol' cheats.
I think JB had brain fade, pure and simple. I've seen it before from people who should have known better...
Woo, Brundle Studio!
Has to be explored no matter how mental the idea is.
There are ways to keep everyone happy
Most likely yes. It's hard to compare like that though. He might well have run out of road. It's hard to tell how much that put Vettel off, it must have thrown him a bit.
thank you fbfb. great race.
I disagree.
Indeed. Massive effort Christine and very much appreciated!
ooh its only 7.30. It feels like about 11 or something. Stupid daytime race.
Thank you fbfb :D
Two stops was better, but only under three conditions, none of which were met by everyone:
1) You and your car are both kind to your tyres
2) You time your tyre swaps perfectly, to the lap
3) Pérez doesn't crash into you
Exactly. Just like Joe's comment that the stewards could have considered the possibility tha Fernando deliberately crashed into Lewis
you kind of ideal racing would turn me to tennis. true story.
Can you have refuelling and not have refuelling at the same time?
:) :) :)
that would get ferrari a penalty. they listen to team radios. eventually, as was the case with lewis in Aus GP when he overtook Trulli
I agree Mr C
I think changing EVERYTHING all at once is daft. Why not one thing at a time? You can't tell what's causing what effect. It just seems like total bedlam to me watching.
My real real issue is without timing, I can't follow the race without devoting 100% attention to watching.
It would not. Your view of what you think I want would but what I really want would not
Agreed!
Not so much a bad thing :P
Same here. I prefer 2011 so much more than 2010.
And the other thing is, all my colleagues who weren't really watching last year are coming up to me and telling me how much they enjoyed the race!!!
The formula is working fine I reckon.
i want reverse grids. that's my ideal race.
japan 2006 was the best race ever.
You could never do that properly though. They even had trouble with that in WTCC,,,
Lots of people in work have talked to me about F1 this year after watching and they've never really talked about it before yet they're absolutely loving it, and this is even with early races
How are you going to set them. People are not going to go all out in quali if they know every tenth they squeeze out is going to cost them
roll on monaco for that one
karthikeyan for the win!!!
is that the one Alonso won? or was that 2007? i can't remember..
SURPRISE! :D
true. but that is my ideal.
I have no problem with reverse grids. I have a huge problem with partial reverse grids
he'll win a race this year
(on F1 2011, on super easy mode, with everyone else driving backwards, and damage off)
You could sometimes have a reverse grid and sometimes not.
I agree with that, but they have tried incremental stuff before and it didn't really work. I think also that if you change lots of things it confuses the strategists and simulators to add that random element.
you can do it on championship positon
No. Definitely not.
Ohh I have to head over the shop in a minute, my own london marathon for this morning.
Then they'd have to go fast all the time, because they wouldn't know.
How is that less artificial than a DRS, KERS and crap tyres though?
Flip a coin (which would probably be equally pleasing to both*?)
* - i.e. absolutely detested!
that might be interesting. am just thinking about the webber/brundle discussion about banning qualifying. just reverse championship position on sunday might be good.
why do we have qualifying?
What if the instruction was passed over in the team motorhome after qualifying, to do the move on a set lap or on an innocuous trigger?
so do you like the 107% rule?
Wow!! From Mike Gascoyne
Jarno quickest race lap quicker than fernando and only 7 tenths down on Vettal, what's all that about. Need to sort out qualifying
you need a way to keep unsafe, slow moving cars out of the way, yeah. hispania were dangerous in melbourne.
I understand why you want it but for me one of the fundamental principles of sport is that the same rules apply to all competitors at all times. One day a driver does well in quali and gets the only pole of his career and ends up at the back through random chance. Next race he has a bad session and ends up 20 places better off.
You mean 2005, right? I enjoyed 2006 (apart from anything else it was Fisi's penultimate podium), but not many people say it was the best race ever
Because they realised at the first Monaco Grand Prix that drawing lots would be unfair as there would be little overtaking. Or so I heard?
I don't want it. You asked a question, I offered up a suggestion.
So how come he still managed to finish low down then? One off lap sure.
I think it was a tongue in cheek comment!
ahh, yes. sorry. top names fighting through the field.
I like how Felipe says Lewis.
Why not test regulatory ideas properly (perhaps in non-championship races) instead of lobbing them into races without understanding whether and how they work?
so why put the dangerous cars where everyone will need to get by them???
Break out the turd polish lads...
And that there were more entries than spots on the grid.
You could still have it but call it something else.
Time trial on saturday -50% of current points?,
Race on Sunday.
they were dangerous because they were 7 seconds off the pace. they've not been a problem since. but you don't want someone out there running F3 pace or worse.
It happens in some championships. BTCC at one point had quali sessions and after the session someone drew a number from a hat and if they for example drew 6 the first 6 positions on the grid were reversed.
I really do challenge any of you to come in on a Sunday night and watch the race with only the tv and Brundle's commentary to inform you of what's happening.
thats what I spent most of today doing, I barely looked at the timing.
Raikkonen 2005, Alonso 2006, Hamilton 2007.
Me neither.
I imagine it is impossible to follow a race like today's without all available info
I don't look at the timing for the race usually, only depend on 5 live
With the comments....
Lewis's pass on Massa is amazing. He only used half the width of the track on the exit
They did that in 2005 (in conjunction with single-lap qualifying) and it did nothing for me.
So why don't you just load up the FBFB replay to follow with the race when you watch to make it easier for you to understand?
Mmm, single-lap qualifying.
I reckon i could do it without the comments. As long as you pay attention to the on screen graphics as well as the actual race action.
I am not keen on it either but it is a fair consistent system that is hard to fiddle
FBFB replay: sidepodcast.com/p…1-race-highlights
It's so hard not to notice the race result.
Marvellous stuff!
Going back to my colleagues - one of whom was on here and felt the stream was too hard to follow - none of them have complained that it's too hard to follow.
I argued for that for years and when it happened I didn't like it because minor weather changes made such a huge difference.
Looking at the homepage it seems easy enough to get to the replay without getting spoilt
tony has extrapolated today's race data: http://flic.kr/p/9zfy5U
holy wow.
I haven't done the results yet though :)
The only spoiler bit would be the fbfb in the main window but by sunday night it would most likely be gone by then
Ahh, true enough..
That looks a bit like James Allens graphs to me, wayyyyy to much going on!
Could you not put the result in the little description thingy and instead something like 'China served up an entertaining race...' instead, avoid spoilers etc.
I do sound whiny now, I am aware. This F1 doesn't fit in with what I like or with my lifestyle. Even having a list of how many stops people have had makes so much difference to understanding and that just isn't available after the fact. It comes up about once a race on the tv.
Agreed. Less is more, like this graph www.flickr.com/ph…1/in/photostream/
I think you have made some good points. It will be interesting to see if your fears come true or not.
Easy. Did it precisely like that (plus in-race-generated written notes) this morning.
EJ - You are the only one
BBC coverage is so much better without him!
I don't think you are whiny. You made your case just like everyone else
Absolutely.
There has to be more than one because there are no genuine EJ accounts and I also missed him (I hasten to add that I have no fake accounts of any kind).
I think I'll end up missing a few races I guess. I tend to watch on Sunday nights when I get home after work. If I can't potter around and make my dinner etc. and still keep up then it's hard to find time.
I thought that with DC doing commentary and Jake being left on his own that it may not be so good but it is a lot better without EJ. I am surprised Jake didn't grab Karun or Bruno or someone to fill the gapw
Ooh good point.
I think that might have been when I stopped following it for a few years...
Mike is a bit more realistic than Tony: Tony just said he can smell points, I think that is just the Peking Duck I had last night for dinner. Glad the boss is happy though
:D
Tony must be thinking that he will get his hands on group Lotus sooner rather than later.
button's laps analysed: www.flickr.com/ph…61@N00/5627152666
colour is speed, lines show geo position. amazingly fast analysis!
I wonder what would have happened if Lewis had gone into the Red Bull pit. That would have increased the rumours
Results ping: sidepodcast.com/p…-2011-race-result
Not doing standings until the FIA decide whether they're inventing some random penalties this week or not.
Dc's getting all romantic with jake?
Good plan :)
and lewis' - www.flickr.com/ph…61@N00/5627157594
I missed the laps where Jenson went across turns 1 nd 2 :)
It wasn't fair, it wasn't consistent and only sporting honour prevented it from getting fiddled in 2005.
F1 needs a lot more of this kind of info
http://twitpic.com/4lyy7p - Heikki coming up!
ooh artistic.
yaaaay. now stop buffering please, mr forum :)
No rocket red for DC this time ;)
WOOOOO for Webber!!! :D
"More tactical and less like racing" #fickle
Why do you need a flikr login to see them?
Can't please the drivers either.
Webbo: "Not really a fan of how it is now, the guys have nothing left to come back with, so overtaking's not always genuine but that's how it is now. A bit more tactical, less racing."
heheh i love that they call this 'mclaren panic' :)
Strange comment from a man who benefited from all of that today?
when I went to the link it told me they were above my safesearch settings. Didn't look like inappropriate content to me :D
I am becoming a Webber fan
It needed EJ for balance - but Bruno did a good balancing job in qualifying.
He is a racer. He wants to beat people because he is better not because his letter box is open and the other guy's is closed
No-one wants to take it if it's too easy! You want the other driver to put up a good fight and for you to still prove you're better. There's surely no ego boost from driving round a car with ruined tyres?
:D
If I started 18th and finished 3rd, I'd take it, too easy or not!
Not sure about that
Its a bit like it was with with refueling, You can go quicker and use up your resource, but then you will need to go slower later on or stop again and loose time there.
There is no pleasure if it is easy
Perez. Heidfeld and both Force Indias are still under investigation and I think Alonso might get disqualified. Good call.
Crofty: So difficult to try & work out strategy with non stop action on the track. Mclaren spot on with Lewis, should Seb have run a 3 stopper?
I think that should be about skill and talent though. If he doesn't think he's pulled many awesome moves to do it then what have you achieved....
Fantasy Racers will have to wait then!
Poor Crofty
As for my press conf blunder, big apologies to UBS, got it right the 2nd time. Got a little confused with USP Content who produce 5-Live F1
Least he didnt call them a USB pen
he said USP?
A great score on any Fantasy Racers game that awards overtaking moves ;)
ooooops
What did Perez do again?
Which puts him in the most objective place to comment.
USB :D
apparently so!
from the Fanvision twitter: Big error on the Unilat commentator's part. He said USB instead of UBS. That won't be appreciated by the title sponsor.
I still can't believe we had a race where the lead of the grand prix was fought for and won right at the end of the race. awesomes.
As soon as he had to make his first stop so soon, they should have seen the 2 stop was off. It's the same mistake Lewis made in the last race, only he blinked and pitted at the end. You need to spread your stops as evenly as possible across the race distance.
usp, not 'b', surely?
Gave Sutil a good whack on lap 47.
bit of a euphemism from Lewis there!
I think that's what I appreciate most about the race, I just don't let the whole artificial racing stuff bother me. It was just a great race that went to the end, exactly what f1 should be to me :)
maybe he combined the two into some sort of superly-wrong acronym :D
Sums it up perfectly.
Pretty much crashed into everyone and got about 6 penalties :P
He did a Sutil then ;)
I thought that was already penalised for... my mistake. Thought he managed to do something else.
To sutil, ironically
It's difficult for me to tolerate it as much now that I've started following sportscars as well. A few years ago (especially before I first joined F1 forums) I might have been more tolerant.
he got two penalties apparently.
eh? what did DC just hint?
I missed that too?
Missed it
am confused.. what?..
But sportscars tends to have that sort of action but stretched out over a longer time period.
that was awkward
No, that was the Heidfeld crash on lap 44 that got penalised...
He only took one!
What did he say, hint at? I totally missed it
SOmething about EJ and earplugs?
If you follow the prototypes, it is spread out. With the GTs... ...less so.
I don't know, just a really odd awkward moment between jake and DC?
Fair enough. Hopefully BBC will consider EJ's position
a reminder he shouldnt take out his ear piece during an interview??
Something like that. Perhaps a reference to him forgetting the question on the last forum?
Ronproofing?
Jake went all headmaster on him
'Good, I shouldn;t expect that to happen again'
I think Jake really likes working with Eddie tbh. If he didn't, he might be much more in jeopardy.
Didnt EJ do that with matershitz?
Mike always looks terrified when hes on camera
I wonder how many people were at the track today?
He does incredibly well in front of a camera despite that.
If RB had a good strategist they would be totally unbeatable. Completely untouchable.
Totally agree with that. Vettel was miles ahead yesterday. They fluffed up Webber's qually and should have switched Vettel onto a 3 stopper...
DC doesn;t even know when he's racing!
Oh dear more awkward....
The message to EJ made me laugh.
Why is Eddie not there? I really get the impression he's not missed ;)
wohoo just in time for me to go out.
am off to my aunt's to look after her dog. back soon! :)
Not by DC that's for sure!
See ya lou
He won a yacht race in the south-east Carribean on Wednesday.
Have a nice day, see you later!
Good for him!
I think this is his version of Brundle's Hungarian holiday
He picked a good country to miss (though not the best race). And he is in a race, so he's probably using a legitimate "sporting competition" contractual loophole (the same that allows DC to do DTM).
Hmm after seeing the others have trouble in China I don't blame him...
If the BBC wouldnt let brundle do that, why let EJ?
Brundle had to give that up though!
huge thank you to everybody who commented today. don't forget, if you have more to say, the voicemail number is: +44 121 28 87225
cheers all!
A holiday is different from a sporting competition. DC's allowed to miss races for his DTM commitments and sailing is another form of racing.
Thank you for Doohicky! :)
*Bad Nick
maybe hes only sailing because they wouldnt let him into China anyway. It's not like its exactly the same weekend every year.
Eddie engineered an ash cloud to avoid the Chinese GP??
:D
We need an EJRumous twitter account
of course
It was the same weekend in 2009 (which was the last non-volcanoed Chinese GP).
Who knows if he was actually going?
We only found out this year when they went on air
I don't think I could ever be a conspiracy theorist.
He definitely was last year from the complaining about airports that was going on. If the yacht race explains 2009 and 2011, then that would have had rather more notice.
worked out well for him.
Just left a voicemail via Skype. Let me know if it came through as it's my first time trying :)
I don't buy it. I do admit it's a bit odd they didn't mention it last week but odd is about the limit.
will do. have just switch off the machines cause i'm off to bed, but will tweet/comment later if it didn't. cheers janna.
Thanks, sleep well
I am off too, shower, PJs, then blogging :)
Did kovaleinen lap the Virgins?
Hard to tell. He was lapped by Lewis in the last lap or 2 and Lewis did lap them twice. If he didn't, he was coming up behind them for sure.
Looks like they both did, wow! www.fia.com/en-GB…lassification.pdf
How can you tell from that?
Gap From Trulli is 1 lap
It says that in front of Sutil as well and I know Heikki was only lapped by Lewis at the very end. He wasn't lapped by the whole field.... So I don't think that's what that means.
Not sure if thats right actually.there probably is a way to do it with laps completed though
He would have been very close to lapping them yes but I don't think there's enough information there to tell if he did or didn't.
Can you replay your live timing app picture map thing?
Ok, Kovaleinen completed the race in 1:37:12.02
Glock Completed it in 1:37:54.356
Because Kovaleinen finished first and there was a lap between them in the results he must have lapped the virgin?
Fair shout yeah I'll give you that one.
now, what breaking story will #GMM make of this :-) - www.autosport.com…o.php/id/13271215
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