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F1 People - Juan Manuel Fangio // The final short biography in this series covers F1's second champion

Published by Christine Blachford

This is the last in the second series of F1 People, seven short shows brought to you by Sidepodcast. We’ve looked at a few important names from the world of Formula 1 this series, and now it’s time for our final VIP. Today we’ll look at Juan Manuel Fangio.

Juan Manuel Fangio was born on the 24th June 1911 in Argentina, although his parents were Italian. He completed his military service and opened a garage to begin racing in Argentina during his 20s, and he became National Champion in 1940 and 41. The government then funded his career move to Europe, where he joined Formula 1. Fangio entered the sport aged 37, and although this was a time pre-world championships, where the emphasis was less on youth and fitness, Fangio was still sometimes the oldest driver taking part. His first race was in 1948, at the French Grand Prix, in which he retired, and that was his only race that year. The next year he won five out of seven races, and thus went into 1950 as a clear favourite to win the brand new Formula One World Driver’s Championship.

The 1950 championship saw a clear split in competitiveness, with the pre-war Alfetta car showing well, and the post-war Alfa Romeo struggling. Fangio was in the latter, but still managed to win three championship races and four non-championship battles. His team mate Farina, however, was even better in the car and took the title that year. In 1951, Fangio came back even more determined, and he finished consistently enough to get his first World Championship Title, only the second one ever handed out.

1952 was a terrible year for Fangio. He began the year without a drive, as a change to the rules in F1 meant Alfa Romeo couldn’t compete with the cars they had and withdrew from the competition. Fangio found himself a seat in June, for a couple of non championship races, and then signed up to drive for Maserati immediately after the second one. He missed his connecting flight, however, and drove through the night from Paris to Monza, arriving just half an hour before the start. As you would imagine, he was incredibly tired, and started from the back of the grid. On the second lap, he lost control of the Maserati, crashed into a bank at the side of the track and was thrown from the car. He was taken to hospital with a broken neck, and his survival was by no means a sure thing.

However, survive he did and he spent the rest of the year at home in Argentina, recovering from his injuries. Amazingly, he was back racing the following year, 1953, where he joined Maserati again for the championship battle. His main rival was Alberto Ascari in the Ferrari, but Fangio kept finishing second with only one lucky win, and he ended the year second overall.

When Mercedes entered Formula 1 in the middle of 1954, Fangio immediately defected from Maserati to join the more successful team. He finished eight out of twelve races that year, and took the championship, followed again the next year by another successful championship campaign. However, 1955 was also the year of the terrible Le Mans accident where 80 spectators were killed, and Mercedes pulled out of racing at the end of the year.

In 1956, Fangio replaced his former rival Alberto Ascari at Ferrari, and with them he managed to secure his fourth title. He remained at Ferrari for only one year, however, and in 1957, Fangio returned to Maserati, although they were still using the same car that he had been in before leaving them for Mercedes. 1957 saw Fangio’s final win that secured his final championship, but there is nothing like going out in style. At the infamous Nurburgring, a botched pit stop left him 50 seconds behind two leading cars, but Fangio wasn’t put off. He put in fastest lap after fastest lap, broke plenty of lap records along the way, and overtook for the lead on the second to last lap. In the end, he secured the win by over three seconds.

Fangio retired in 1958, having won 24 Championship races from 51 starts, the best winning percentage in F1. In the year of his retirement, he was kidnapped by Cuban rebels, but they released him and he remained good friends with his captors afterwards.

During his retirement, Fangio demonstrated Mercedes-Benz cars in order to sell them, and was then appointed President of Mercedes-Benz Argentina in 1974. He died in 1995, aged 84. Fangio is often called the greatest driver of all time, although it is difficult to compare drivers from the different eras. Fangio’s five world championships record stood until Schumacher broke it in 2003, but even Schumi acknowledged respect for Fangio’s achievements. In Argentina, he is known as one of the greatest sportsmen ever to come out of the country, and there are six statues of him at various points around the world.

That’s all for this episode of F1 People, and all for this series, in fact. I hope you’ve enjoyed listening to this second set of shows, and if you haven’t already, make sure to check out the first series for another seven famous names. As ever, your feedback is welcomed, either in the comments, via voicemail – the number is 0121 28 87225 – or email me Christine at sidepodcast.com. I look forward to hearing from you.

Theme music: Natives of the New Dawn, People.




  • His final win at the Nurburgring sounds like one of the greatest victories in F1, and considering that he broke lap records, the speed he would have ben going at in those cars (aka deathtraps) at quite a remote circuit, the risks he would've taken, erhaps it's the greatest F1 win.

  • Oops, made a typo and messed up the italics, lol.

  • Another great mini series, Christine. Very glad you brought back the F1 People idea too. (Good thing you had already covered Mad Max).

    Perhaps Fangio's most impressive record is, if it weren't for a severe cock-up during a pit stop at the 1953 Belgian Grand Prix, he would have scored points in every race he finished.

  • tenuous link, but talking of f1 people, here's one you apparently can't see enough of:

    drop.io/sidepodca…set/coulthardsbum

    nb: not safe for work!

    hope that redresses the balance with the ladies, after our look at the candian grid girl recently?

  • July 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pmJoe said:

    His final win at the Nurburgring sounds like one of the greatest victories in F1, and considering that he broke lap records, the speed he would have ben going at in those cars (aka deathtraps) at quite a remote circuit, the risks he would’ve taken, erhaps it’s the greatest F1 win.

    I don't think that is the case, as in 1957 other than Moss and maybe Hawthorn how else was great?

    Now let us move the scence forward 11 years to 1968 at the Nurburgring. We have Graham Hill, Two awesome kiwi drivers in Bruce McLaren and Denny Hulme, John Surtees and finally Chris Amon for competition. The cars are still death traps, and the track is the same. But it is raining and misty...

    Jackie Stewart lined up sixth but managed to get the lead of the race by eight seconds at the first lap, 33 seconds at the end of lap two and over a minute on lap 5.

    At the end of the race Stewart won by four minutes to the second placed "milkman" of Graham Hill. It was still raining just as hard as when the race started when he crossed the finish line.

  • Wahhhh!

    No Zsolt Baumgartner or worse still no Pedro Lamy! :)

    So in the third F1 people series, are you going to give the mobile chicanes their due, especially the ones that took out the race leaders at the time, thereby changing the course of the race in question?

  • I guess I did over-react quite a bit. I have 0 knowledge of races in the 50s or 60s, I should've kept my mouth shut really, lol.

  • So in the third F1 people series, are you going to give teh mobile chicanes their due, especially the ones that took out the race leaders at the time, thereby changin the course of the race in question?

    okay, tell you what, this series was defined by listener requests, so let's have 'em for series three.

    we need 7 new people, from a variety of eras and / or mixture of roles. check out the mini series archive for previous entrants:

    www.sidepodcast.c…i-series-archive/

    and let us know who you'd like to see featured next time around...

  • Oh and an idea for you 2, Christine and Me. How about doing a feature on teams sometime? It could have episodes, just like the F1 People series. You could cover obvious teams, like Ferrari, McLaren (and Jordan : P), and the not so obvious, like Minardi, Wolf and what is one of the worst teams ever, Life. Just a thought.

  • Hhhmm, I'd say either Takuma Sato, Yuji Ide or David Kennedy.

  • Great series Christine and a great way to finish it. We think Schumacher winning 7 titles is special but how many would Fangio have won if there had been a championship in his younger days.

    It is hard to pick between Fangio's drive or JYS at the Nurburgring. It was Fangio's last race. His legend was established and he was at an age that few drivers ever sat in an F1 car let alone won in yet still he drove like that. JYS's drive came a couple of years after he started his safety campaign and he was well aware of the risks he was taking but still he did it.

  • tenuous link, but talking of f1 people here’s one you apparently can’t see enough of:

    drop.io/sidepodca…set/coulthardsbum

    Well I suppose its one way of ending a series of biographies.

  • Too old for F1 but not too old to flash his bum. Changed times indeed.

  • July 28th, 2008 at 8:45 pmJoe said:

    I guess I did over-react quite a bit. I have 0 knowledge of races in the 50s or 60s, I should’ve kept my mouth shut really, lol.

    Not really, the '57 German Grand Prix is supposed to be one of the top f1 races, Whether it is the Greatest Ever F1 race would be a wonderful subject for Christine and Me to do another mini-series for especially when you consider other possbile entrees like the '71 Italian Grand Prix when Peter Gethin enters the last lap in fourth to take the win by 0.01 seconds over Peterson and Cevert, Hailwood and Ganley behind them. All five covered in 0.61 seconds, or the my personal favourite of Stewart's 68 German GP win, or Gilles defensive masterpeice at Jerez for the '81 Spanish Grand Prix (and even the Tifosi would send an '81 Limping Horse to the Glue factory...)

  • July 28th, 2008 at 9:01 pmSteven Roy said:

    Too old for F1 but not too old to flash his bum. Changed times indeed.

    Proof that DC has entered his "second childhood" phase of life?

  • Whether it is the Greatest Ever F1 race would be a wonderful subject for Christine and Me to do another mini-series for

    i'm up for more mini-series. mainly cause i don't have much to do. this week has been one of the most productive of the year :)

    would ye all not get bored if we did more though?

  • i’m up for more mini-series. mainly cause i don’t have much to do. this week has been one of the most productive of the year :)

    That's right, I do all the talking, and we end up with a great new live commenting feature. Everybody wins :)

    P.S. (re. DC) I so did not need to see that.

  • How about we also come up with ideas for new mini-series'! Nah, only messing, we'd have a lot of them if that actually happened lol. Unless Christine and Me wanted to of course......: P

  • would ye all not get bored if we did more though?

    nope. more mini series is fine. I've just thought, are we gonna get a podcast pretty much everyday this week. :D

    you could always do another mini series in afew weeks, the mid point of the 3 week break perhaps.

  • How about we also come up with ideas for new mini-series’!

    hehe, feel free. i think f1 people ideas would be more manageable to start with though.

    otherwise we'll have lists of lists and get all confused.

    I’ve just thought, are we gonna get a podcast pretty much everyday this week.

    umm, don't think so, what does the calendar say?

  • umm, don’t think so, what does the calendar say?

    ah yes, well I keep thinking it's tuesday, and i did say pretty much every day ;)

  • I just have 1 request for a series the moment, and that is: Teams!

    As for people, I've already given my thought, any 1 of the 3 I people I said, though I think David Kennedy would be the most notable . Here's a test,does Me know why he's the most notable?

  • ah yes, well I keep thinking it’s tuesday, and i did say pretty much every day

    nooo, i was dropping a hint...

    what does the calendar say about the next mini-series?

  • I said, though I think David Kennedy would be the most notable . Here’s a test,does Me know why he’s the most notable?

    i don't even know who the hell he is?

    :D

  • Hahaha, wsell I think he has the record for the most amount of races that a driver has failed to qualify for. He's Irish too, it's lovely that we have such a notable record in F1.....although we did have Jordan, so it isn't all bad I guess :D

  • what does it say about the next mini-series?

    oh right :D sorry, i'm super tired. can you tell? ;) ah i see, i look forward to it. :) can i make a request though? Could you maybe put a link to the calender on the main page. Cause it took me a while to find it.

  • Hahaha, wsell I think he has the record for the most amount of races that a driver has failed to qualify for

    really? hehe

  • He’s Irish too, it’s lovely that we have such a notable record in F1…..

    well that's as good a reason as any to feature him :)

    i just googled the name and it said:

    F1 Reject, David Kennedy

    bodes well doesn't it?

  • Could you maybe put a link to the calender on the main page. Cause it took me a while to find it.

    shoot, been on my list for a while. will do an image for it now.

  • shoot, been on my list for a while. will do an image for it now.

    thank you :)

  • Me, I understand you had a go at Batracer a while ago (although I haven't heard the episode in which you talked about it,shameful I know :P), what did you think of it and what would you think of the suggestion of having a Sidepodcast game of it, maybe during the off-season?

  • Well, for very interesting reading Jody Scheckter caused a few good multi-car, wipe out 3/4 of the field before row 2 crossed the start-line of the first lap accidents. There was even talk of having him banned from racing after this fourth Grand Prix. Quite removed from our normal image of him going toe-to-toe against Gilles Villeneuve for the Driver's Championship in '79.

    Same case can be said about a certain "Hunt the Shunt". Not quite a nickname you give to a Championship winner, is it?

    But for a true backmarker / mobile Chicane driver, why not the great Eliseo Salazar?

  • Me, I understand you had a go at Batracer a while ago (although I haven’t heard the episode in which you talked about it,shameful I know :P)

    it was a very long while ago. here's the original post:

    www.sidepodcast.c…/03/26/batracing/

    what did you think of it and what would you think of the suggestion of having a Sidepodcast game of it, maybe during the off-season?

    in short, i found it very time consuming. a bit complicated to approach casually and the people involved took it a bit seriously. also after a couple of weeks, i don't think christine gave two hoots anymore, which made me look like a geek for playing :)

    i think we're going to have another go soon with lynch, and if that goes well we could occupy the off season that way certainly.

  • I know, how about one of F1's should be most famous drivers ever, for the dumbest of reasons:

    Bertrand Gachot.

    Can "me" figure out why this person is so important to F1 history?

  • Me, I understand you had a go at Batracer a while ago

    speaking of Batracer, Joe did u notice i won a race the other day :D

  • Sure did Lou. You came right from the back really, that was great from you :D

    Winning in your first season, very impressive.

    And I think I can answer Jordan's question, but I won't, I'll let Me do it : P

  • Sure did Lou. You came right from the back really, that was great from you Winning in your first season, very impressive.

    tbh i still have no idea how to play, but it did make me smile :D

  • Joe said:

    Sure did Lou. You came right from the back really, that was great from you Winning in your first season, very impressive.

    And I think I can answer Jordan’s question, but I won’t, I’ll let Me do it : P

    You meanie, can you see "me" is on the hot seat, sweating buckets?

  • Can “me” figure out why this person is so important to F1 history?

    what is this, pick on the little guy day or something?

    :)

    he was the man with anger management issues, right?

  • July 28th, 2008 at 10:04 pmlou said:

    Sure did Lou. You came right from the back really, that was great from you Winning in your first season, very impressive.

    tbh i still have no idea how to play, but it did make me smile

    Yeah, The secret to her success is that lou can not figure out what exactly is that middle pedal is for... :P

  • Can “me” figure out why this person is so important to F1 history?

    what is this, pick on the little guy day or something?

    he was the man with anger management issues, right?

    Hmmmmm, maybe, but the result of his issues was that.........

  • Hmmmmm, maybe, but the result of his issues was that………

    some german bloke called mickey got a free pass, then won everything thereafter (often by cheating) until he finally quit, leaving us with the closest 18 months of racing the sport has ever enjoyed... probably.

  • Close enough, your prize is to be a memeber of Lewis Hamilton's entourage for a day.

  • Close enough, your prize is to be a memeber of Lewis Hamilton’s entourage for a day.

    will there be any flying?

  • Hopefully, no. England is a small country. You should be able to get to Woking in no time.

  • me again. Enjoyed the series and all, some worthy vip's to chatter about.

    Speaking of batracer, I once had a private game with another forum I go on. I was Renault with a good Latvian friend of mine, unfortunatly he couldn't really tell me properly how to play. So, although I was Renault, I only got 1 point. Never played the game again. Sticking to fantasy games like GridBids and Fantasty Racers.

  • Could you maybe put a link to the calender on the main page. Cause it took me a while to find it.

    new button on the sidebar lou. looks just the same as the other one, but there's only so much a man can do in 188 pixels.

    hope it helps.

  • new button on the sidebar lou. looks just the same as the other one, but there’s only so much a man can do in 188 pixels.

    thank you. :D Was there one there before then? i didn't spot it. sorry. Lovely button though :D

  • Ah Batracer. I used to take part a while ago. Every time I clicked on something I got very confused. Must give it another try though.

    Bertrand Gachot

    He was the guy that got sent to jail for some odd reason in 1991 and got replaced at Jordan by Micheal Schumacher.

    new button on the sidebar

    Glossy

  • Speaking of batracer, I once had a private game with another forum I go on. I was Renault with a good Latvian friend of mine, unfortunatly he couldn’t really tell me properly how to play. So, although I was Renault, I only got 1 point. Never played the game again. Sticking to fantasy games like GridBids and Fantasty Racers.

    A bad experience like that can really put a person off something, especially Batracer. You really need a team-mate that can show you the ins-and-outs. Me and Lou are in a game at the moment, and very stupidly of me, I didn't tell her to join an existing team like I should've

    done. Sorry Lou :(

    On the bright side Lou, you've won a race and you haven't been playing for a month, I've been playing for over a year and only won 1 race : P

    Luckily for me though I have an awesome team-mate hehe. I'd be more than willing to start a game with people from here sometime in the not-so-distaant future.

  • Was there one there before then? i didn’t spot it. sorry.

    must comment monday. i think we'll come back to that in the off season. we got busy and couldn't keep it up (at least i haven't been).

    I’ve been playing for over a year and only won 1 race

    that kinda sums up batracer for me though. not great payback for your effort. they should adopt the casino mentality and provide a little incentive when you start getting bored.

  • If you pay about £12, you get extra features, a lot more helpful of course, a mate of mine has it and it's really good. I doubt I'd pay for it though, I think you're either good at it or not, and I'm the latter. Plus I think I'm the Webebr of our current game, I keep being good in qualy, and have been P1 in a practice session, but do bad in races. Frustrating for sure.

  • Noticed this earlier:

    formula-1.updates…orld-GP/view.html

    I think that'd be weird, but cool.

  • World GP? That shows a complete lack of imagination. All he had to do is the same as they do in bike racing and rallying. Make Barcelona the Catalan GP and Valencia the Spanish GP.

  • I think that’d be weird, but cool.

    if it lives up to the hype then fine. i wonder if singapore might not give it a run for it's money in the "best circuit in the world" category though.

  • me said:

    I think that’d be weird, but cool.

    if it lives up to the hype then fine. i wonder if singapore might not give it a run for it’s money in the “best circuit in the world” category though.

    That is just silly. If the title of "Grand Prix of San Marino" can work so well for Imola, why not title the Valencia race the "Grand Prix of Andorra"?

  • July 29th, 2008 at 1:00 amSteven Roy said:

    World GP? That shows a complete lack of imagination. All he had to do is the same as they do in bike racing and rallying. Make Barcelona the Catalan GP and Valencia the Spanish GP.

    That is just silly. If the title of “Grand Prix of San Marino” can work so well for Imola, why not title the Valencia race the “Grand Prix of Andorra”?

    Or for that matter to be silly, Why not call it the "Grand Prix of Somewhere", or the "Grand Prix of Parts Unknown"

  • What a second, is not "World GP" already the name of the race at the Mos Espa podrace circuit in Luke Skywalker's home planet of Tatoonie? :D

  • These have been really interesting, Christine & Me.

    My suggestion for your next series is Sir Jack Brabham.

    If you do go with the mobile chicane series then I'd like to see Andrea de Cesaris get a guernsey ;)

  • July 29th, 2008 at 4:02 amPink Peril said:

    These have been really interesting, Christine & Me.

    My suggestion for your next series is Sir Jack Brabham.

    If you do go with the mobile chicane series then I’d like to see Andrea de Cesaris get a guernsey

    Well, if I am allowed to have a serious pick for F1 people, series three cast my vote for Ferrari's Finest, Gilles Villeneuve.

  • if it lives up to the hype then fine. i wonder if singapore might not give it a run for it’s money in the “best circuit in the world” category though

    Eh? Why not call the race in Germany, the 'German GP', and used the 'European GP' for the race in Valencia?

    Is that to difficult for Ernie?

  • Eh? Why not call the race in Germany, the ‘German GP’, and used the ‘European GP’ for the race in Valencia?

    the owners of hockers have the naming rights for the german gp and they're less than keen to surrender (or even loan) them.

    in short, bernie's made a hash of the situation and now we don't know whether we're coming or going. just wait 'till we get to suzuka.

  • I didn’t tell her to join an existing team like I should’ve

    done. Sorry Lou

    On the bright side Lou, you’ve won a race and you haven’t been playing for a month, I’ve been playing for over a year and only won 1 race : P

    ahaha tbh i don't really mind. It's just abit of fun ;) and i'm still getting used to it. :)

  • World GP? That shows a complete lack of imagination. All he had to do is the same as they do in bike racing and rallying. Make Barcelona the Catalan GP and Valencia the Spanish GP.

    An even better solution is to just get rid of Barcelona.

    Speaking of which, a sim racing series ended up using a World GP when we had three German tracks in about 5 races.

  • JMF was a lovely bloke, I still don't know why would someone want to race one of those monster F1 cars in the 50s, it was like Russian roulette...

    Anyway, I just woke up from a nightmare. I was dreaming I went into Sidepodcast towers and found Me and Christine; Me was actually a nice bloke, he had like this alternative 1990s look and first we were chatting and enjoying the English countryside (maybe even drinking tea - that had to do with Paul McCartney song I heard last week), then the setting has suddenly changed and we were probably in Manchester - because I saw a bit about Manchester on Euronews yesterday. After that things started to go wrong: Me talked me into stealing highly valuable info from Honda team computers, he gave me a very persuasive argument; I found myself sitting in a secret bunker below Honda F1 factory, operating my ultra-modern James Bond laptop and sucking data from Honda's computers. That was scary and I sort of freaked out and decided to flee the scene, of course I was caught by the police and in the end I realised it was all going on in the middle ages and I was finally beheaded and woke up screaming.

  • Morning BOL,

    You shouldn't eat so much cheese before going to bed...

  • Honda have highly secret valuable info? The only big secrets Honda have is how the Japanese let Nick Fry keep his jobs when he is making such a mess of things and why they paid Jenson Button such a ridiculous amount of money. Either that or it is the design for next year's earth nightmare.

  • You shouldn’t eat so much cheese before going to bed…

    Dammit! How did you know? I ate two croissants with ham and cheese a couple of hours before going to bed, it's true, I'm not pulling your leg!

  • How did you know?

    Cheese is a major influence on strange dreams.

    Once, after tucking in to some Stilton (and a little port), I had a very peculiar dream in which I had to present an edition of the South Bank Show at short notice because the usual presenter, Melvyn Bragg, was indisposed. I kept forgetting not only my lines, but also the names of who the guests were going to be and what the theme of the programme was. And then I became aware of Lord Bragg glaring balefully from the sidelines at the farce his show was turning into.

    I woke up palpitating. Ever since then I’ve tried to observe a healthy gap between cheesetime and bedtime.

  • Anyway, I just woke up from a nightmare. I was dreaming I went into Sidepodcast towers and found Me and Christine;

    i likes that...

    Sidepodcast : The Stuff of Nightmares

  • Cheese is a major influence on strange dreams.

    That's an interesting theory. I'll think about it.

    My dreams are always a bit like Salvador Dali's paintings, partly because he was a big inspiration for me when I was a kid so I tried to copy his method and ended up having these phantasmagoric visions. But still, I'll be careful with cheese in the evening, cheers.

  • Sidepodcast : The Stuff of Nightmares

    Ha ha! A good one. I think the dream was the subconscious continuation of my terrible concern that I haven't left a single comment here yesterday. I'm sure you won't make me spy on F1 teams if we ever meet "in the flesh".

  • although we did have Jordan, so it isn’t all bad I guess {Joe - 44 comments ago}

    As far as I'm concerned, Jordan makes up for everything :)

    in short, i found it very time consuming. a bit complicated to approach casually and the people involved took it a bit seriously. also after a couple of weeks, i don’t think christine gave two hoots anymore, which made me look like a geek for playing {me - 36 posts ago}

    I used to play BATRacer. Found it fun (if time-consuming), especially when I got the skilled rookie who only spoke Spanish (it went well, and it did my linguistic skills some good :) ). I have won a few scattered races, the most memorable one being Monaco in a Red Bull I was account-sitting for (back when account-sitting was permitted for non-KT players).

    What stopped me in the end was that on three occasions, I'd get halfway into a season and then the system would stop letting me play properly. I'd be able to log in sometimes but not others, but when I could log in nothing would load. There were no messages to explain what had happened. Until I hear they've fixed that problem, I'm not playing again.

    Funnily enough, two months after the last time I decided to wait for BATRacer to be fixed, I got a referral credit, but couldn't cash it due to the complexity of how referral works.

    And I think I can answer Jordan’s question [about Bertrand Gachot's significance], but I won’t, I’ll let Me do it : P {lou - 33 comments ago}

    I believe he is the current holder of the "Dumbest Excuse For Being Late To A Sponsor Presentation" award.

    When he decided to express his road rage against a taxi driver using CS spray in the only EU country banning the substance for regular use, he was supposed to be en route to the 7Up conference that famously secured Jordan's entry into F1. At the time he should have been making his speech to help convince the drinks company to enter F1 with the new team, he was answering police enquiries about the incident, having been arrested.

    Thankfully, Eddie Jordan was on great form and managed to convince 7Up to join forces with Jordan despite the non-appearance of his star driver. Nonetheless, it could be argued that Bertrand Gachot nearly derailed Jordan's F1 ambitions single-handed, and thus almost prevented Michael Schumacher's early entry into F1.

    why not title the Valencia race the “Grand Prix of Andorra”? {Jordan Allen - 13 comments ago}

    Because it's so far away from Andorra (i.e. opposite coast) that they'd be better off calling it the "Grand Prix of Gibraltar" and putting up with the moaning from the tabloid British press. Still, I like your idea a lot more than the "World Grand Prix" or its linguistic derivatives.

    What a second, is not “World GP” already the name of the race at the Mos Espa podrace circuit in Luke Skywalker’s home planet of Tatoonie? {Jordan Allen - 11 comments ago}

    That was called the Boonta Eve Classic, I think.

  • Alianora La Canta said:

    As far as I’m concerned, Jordan makes up for everything

    Thanks, Ali.

    Not bad, the only thing i do on this forum is underrate Hamilton to maintain some sort of balance about him, and I have seem to picked up an English fan somewhere along the way.

    And I think I can answer Jordan’s question [about Bertrand Gachot's significance], but I won’t, I’ll let Me do it : P {lou - 33 comments ago}

    I believe he is the current holder of the “Dumbest Excuse For Being Late To A Sponsor Presentation” award.

    When he decided to express his road rage against a taxi driver using CS spray in the only EU country banning the substance for regular use, he was supposed to be en route to the 7Up conference that famously secured Jordan’s entry into F1. At the time he should have been making his speech to help convince the drinks company to enter F1 with the new team, he was answering police enquiries about the incident, having been arrested.

    Thankfully, Eddie Jordan was on great form and managed to convince 7Up to join forces with Jordan despite the non-appearance of his star driver. Nonetheless, it could be argued that Bertrand Gachot nearly derailed Jordan’s F1 ambitions single-handed, and thus almost prevented Michael Schumacher’s early entry into F1.

    You got everything right except for the last part, Ali. Jordan's first driver was Andrea de Cesaris and Gachot was the second driver. Gachot may have almost de-railed Jordan's entry into F1 in the process, but his vacant seat allowed Schumacher to join Jordan for his F1 debut. Put it this way, if Gachot did not have the fight with the Taxi Driver, The Schumacher would have awaited for have the season for another shot at F1.

    why not title the Valencia race the “Grand Prix of Andorra”? {Jordan Allen - 13 comments ago}

    Because it’s so far away from Andorra (i.e. opposite coast) that they’d be better off calling it the “Grand Prix of Gibraltar” and putting up with the moaning from the tabloid British press. Still, I like your idea a lot more than the “World Grand Prix” or its linguistic derivatives.

    But you can not it the Grand Prix of Gibralter as it is no more it own separate country than Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, and Hong Kong was. They are all colonies of Britian and as such a GP event held on these spots of land would best be named "the British Grand Prix". From Bernie's viewpoint I can see him doing that next year, and in 2010 when it is proven that DP can not hold a GP it will be held in Valenica as the "British Grand Prix", with the circuit being named "The Street Circuit outside Gibralter".

    AS to the "Grand prix of Andorra" has anyone actually measured the distance between Imola and San Marino? I heard that Imola is 40 miles away from San Marino at least.

    What a second, is not “World GP” already the name of the race at the Mos Espa podrace circuit in Luke Skywalker’s home planet of Tatoonie? {Jordan Allen - 11 comments ago}

    That was called the Boonta Eve Classic, I think.

    Was not the Boonta Eve Classic just the Sunday Morning support race?

  • You can't call it the grand prix of Gibralter as that is the name of a very famous humourous recording by Peter Ustinov. Available at www.dukevideo.com…raltar!%20CD.aspx

    I have to confess that despite knowing about it for a number of years I have never heard it but it is supposed to be incredibly funny. Whether or not it has aged well I don't know.

    There are quite a few examples of circuits having races named for places a long way away. Dijon used to have the Swiss GP even though racing was banned in Switzerland for example.

  • I have been moderated. Ouch that hurt.

  • if Gachot did not have the fight with the Taxi Driver, The Schumacher would have awaited for have the season for another shot at F1. {Jordan Allen - 4 comments ago}

    And if 7Up had been slightly more sensitive to the absence of de Cesaris from the presnetation, there would have been no 7Up money, no Jordan Grand Prix, and therefore no seat for Michael Schumacher for at least a year. It was a very fine line there...

    But you can not it the Grand Prix of Gibralter as it is no more it own separate country than Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, and Hong Kong was {Jordan Allen - 4 comments ago}

    It might not be, but Gibraltar is not called Britain, and that's the important thing from Bernie's perspective. Bernie's used differential scale to good effect before (German/Luxembourg/Europe), so zooming in should work too.

    AS to the “Grand prix of Andorra” has anyone actually measured the distance between Imola and San Marino? {Jordan Allen - 4 comments ago}

    San Marino and Imola are 17 kilometers apart if you use the motorways (it's closer as the crow flies). Valencia and Andorra are 496km apart. Algiers is closer to Valencia than that...

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