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F1 Debrief - Interesting and worrying in equal measures // Discussing Bahrain, Barcelona testing, Sauber's sponsors and much more

Published by Christine Blachford

Coming up on this show, we discuss F1 trademarks, Barcelona testing and quite a lot about KERS.

Intro

We're still getting back into the swing of things, despite the best efforts of tortillas and roast chickens.

Good week/Bad week

It's been a good week for Nick Heidfeld and Bob Bell who have both got new jobs, one is filling in for Robert Kubica at Renault and the other is head of the chassis team at Mercedes. I'll let you guess which is which. It's been a bad week for the Formula One Group who still can't get their hands on F1 as a trademark, and for attendance levels because China is still on the calendar.

News and views

We touch upon Bahrain, but not in too much detail as we have a special Sidepodchat dedicated to that very subject. There's a bit more about Lotus and Autosport, but it's mostly wait and see.

We do a brief recap of the Barcelona test, who was fast, who was slow and who left early. Good to see Toro Rosso finally making an impact on the times. All the talk of the test was about Pirelli and their compounds though, and we discuss why it is that tyres are dominating the news so much at the moment.

Finally, we ponder the idea of Sauber Club One - where sponsors can pay the team vast sums of money and not get their name on the car. It seems like a very one-sided deal!

Feedback

Lovely feedback this week:

  • Eyeteaguy leaves us a voicemail. More of the same from you all please, 0121 28 87225.
  • Scott wonders if Schumacher is really as bad as all that
  • Guy offers another viewpoint on KERS
  • Chris offers some suggestions to make KERS more obvious (and multi-coloured tyres as well)
  • A special note from the future! (Possibly)

Housekeeping

We seem to have found ourselves in a bit of a flame war, but it turns out to be the most polite flame war ever (if you don't count the swearing).

Outtake

Just the one outtake today. Prepare to be offended, science-fiction fans.

Linkage




  • A quote by Mr C has lead me to making this...

    http://twitpic.com/44549c

  • love that lukeh!!

  • "are you the michael caine of sidepodcast?"

    that missing 's' is quite important. oops.

  • "Stop eating Mexican food then"

    :)

    Surely with Perez you should be eating more. Burritos are my downfall.

  • Surely with Perez you should be eating more. Burritos are my downfall.

    i was ahead of my time eating nachos on race days.

  • Hehehe, aww. I don't realise how much i miss debriefs until I listen to them again, really so amusing especially the an f1 podcast bits again. *hugs debrief*

  • Also...

    DOCTOR WHO?!

  • DOCTOR WHO?!

    *runs*

  • *runs*

    heheheheeh. :D

  • Just browse around the archives

    I can't believe Christine said that. She must be ill

  • I volunteer for a sidepodchat.. maybe depending on if i'm at uni or home.. ;)

    Great podcast, thank you guys! Loved every second! :)

  • I volunteer for a sidepodchat.. maybe depending on if i'm at uni or home.. ;)

    You volunteered yourself?

  • Nice to hear from Eyeteaguy.

    I love the 'very British flame war'. Sounds like it could be straight from The IT Crowd. :)

    Good to have celebrity listeners ;)

  • You volunteered yourself?

    yeah.. sorry. ;) must be all this work..

  • KERS is a push to pass. That is the whole point of it. They can spin it as something related to F1's direction but it is still push to pass.

    I went looking for I didn't start the flame war after the last AnotherF1Podcast too. Great song

  • I went looking for I didn't start the flame war after the last AnotherF1Podcast too. Great song

    thought it was in the show notes? maybe too 'not safe for work'. i'll link to this instead: www.google.co.uk/…art+the+flame+war

  • thought it was in the show notes? maybe too 'not safe for work'. i'll link to this instead:

    I found it on youtube. I just thought it was strange you did exactly the same thing. The one reason I didn't link it at the time because it was even swearier than I remembered

  • I volunteer for a sidepodchat.. maybe depending on if i'm at uni or home..

    nice one, cheers.

  • KERS is a push to pass. That is the whole point of it. They can spin it as something related to F1's direction but it is still push to pass.

    Exactly... I think the caller has missed the point slightly. Kers in road cars of the future will be used to make cars use less fuel at the same speed. But in F1 they will be used to make cars go faster with the same fuel. The difference is subtle but key. This doesn't stop the technology from trickling down to the cars but does mean that it is going to be used in a way that is different to road cars.

    But even that is missing the point, I think. We don't technically need to know the amount of revs or the g-forces being exposed on the driver but we do get to see them when we are watching their cars on screen. So why can't we know how much battery they have left?

    As an other point I think they did show the battery level by the end of the season when we last had kers... It wasn't a terribly useful graphic somehow though it was hard to tell when it was being used and we didn't ever really get a side by side graphic when two drivers were chasing each other.

  • On the car to car radio... I remember suggesting this on something (was it on the tick tock tick tock quiz show sidepodcast show which I've forgotten the name of for some reason... oh yeah Sidepodpannel :) )

    It reminded me of a practice called sledging in cricket which is where the wicket keeper tries to put off the batsman when the bowler is a about to bowl... It's technically banned but hard to police.

    It would be fun :)

  • Exactly... I think the caller has missed the point slightly. Kers in road cars of the future will be used to make cars use less fuel at the same speed. But in F1 they will be used to make cars go faster with the same fuel. The difference is subtle but key. This doesn't stop the technology from trickling down to the cars but does mean that it is going to be used in a way that is different to road cars.

    I think teams should be given the freedom between the two. Some might choose to run less fuel and have a lighter car. They'll be slower than the others but should wear the tyres less.

  • I can't believe Christine said that. She must be ill

    It's okay on Big Picture because I am not speaking on that!

  • It's okay on Big Picture because I am not speaking on that!

    so archives are cool, except for shows where you sound like a child?

  • so archives are cool, except for shows where you sound like a child?

    That's about the size of it.

  • Tried another F1 podcast. Didn't mind the swaring, but you could have warned me about how full of themselves they are...

    How funny do they find their own jokes??

  • "Death by Chicken ?"

    I understand "Death from Above", but can chickens even fly ?

    Had a particularly bad case of "foul fowl" then ? :P

  • Hmmmm, about SauberClub1 - I wonder if RBS is sinking all of Great Britian's money into F1... Not like that's ever happened before....

  • Hey all, a very long time no see - Just caught the podcast, and I've been to the "F1 Pit Stop Cafe" in Roppongi (trendy neighborhood) in Tokyo. It's so slickly put together, I assumed that it was associated with FOM, but apparently not. So that explains that at least.

  • hey dap. appreciate the info, although why bernie can't start a chain of formula 1 cafe's if he really wants to, is beyond me?

  • Great cast per usual guys... FWIW, KERS (as much as I loathe it) is actually being rolled out in a few road cars... Heard a MB commercial the other day claiming its use - but couldn't find anything on the web about it - but seems Jag and others are giving it a go :)

    zmarter.com/cars/…wheel-hybrid.html

  • Heard a MB commercial the other day claiming its use - but couldn't find anything on the web about it - but seems Jag and others are giving it a go

    "Kinetic energy recovery systems didn’t fare well in Formula 1, but a bunch of British automotive companies bet the technology will catch on with road cars."

    interesting that article paints kers as something of a failure in f1. that's quite embarrassing for such a technical sport. hope 2011 will turn public opinion around.

  • Suppose that's true Mr C - though that article (now that I read it properly LOL) was penned in OCT 2010 - but think the news about KERS for '11 was announced by then -

    Either way, I also saw that McLaren is looking to use it in that article - Seems they're crossing it up with their hybrid calling it the "HY-KERS" (always gotta be cute, don't they:) - but my original point with one of your commenters, was that KERS is indeed being used - and that I think Hamilton and the rest that used KERS (to their credit) figured out an unfair advantage back when it optional - much like Brawn of old with the diffusers - (less Kimi going up in smoke that one time) Haha (sorry Christine!) - I just never liked the concept - just like going to 4 cylinders makes me throw up in my mouth now... :(

    But, this *is* the pinnacle of motorsport - and after watching a fairly dull Daytona 500 run 2x2 - and the "spec" Indy cars here run in mindless circles (which are changing thankfully) - F1 really needs to keep all the innovation and "freedom" they can in the cars (just my .02 cents!) --

    Just waiting on Oz now.... sigh.... Hurry up! :)

    www.wired.com/aut…ens-going-hybrid/

  • Just listened.

    I volunteer!

  • I volunteer!

    yay. thank you.

  • But, this *is* the pinnacle of motorsport - and after watching a fairly dull Daytona 500 run 2x2

    i liked the two-by-two :(

    it's only once or twice a season too.

  • Hey guys.

    another typically good show.

    I just have an issue with everyone wantng to be spoon fed with this sport.

    One of the things that attracts me to F1 is how i have to discover what is giong on. I like the investigative feeling. So when people start wanting lights on cars to tell them when KERS is being used, and power strips so we know when its charged etc it kind of annoys me.

    We have never been told what gear a driver is in, so why start pandering to us now.

    We are slowly starting to see improved coverage with onboard telemetry footage, and for me thats enough.

    The OWG, and TWG have been working hard to solve "sporting issues" and for me, have done a pretty good job. It wouldnt be an easy task implementing all these things within a group

  • We have never been told what gear a driver is in, so why start pandering to us now.

    sure we do. on screen graphics. plus a commentator usually does a 'flying lap' before the race (normally the pole position lap), and names almost every gear change. you can also hear gear shifts when watching onboards.

  • of such self important people.

    We should learn to accept great racing if it happens from these changes.

    if it does

    Personally i dont want to know if petrov passed heidfeld because he used KERS, or the rear wing, i just want to see that happen and enjoy it.

    If a solution is needed to appease fans so they know what is happening it would be better to have graphical information on screen, rather than way the cars down further with lights, and everything else thats being proposed.

  • Sorry Mr C. what i mean was that we never had a display on the car telling us this.

    I think the on screen stuff is more than ample.

  • and i used the wrong "weigh/way"

    DOH!

    perils of writing whilst on the phone

  • As an engineer (really) I like all the techie junk I can get my head around and eyes on - I know I'm in the minority here - but forward facing exhaust and aero-grip fascinate me to no end - Banning all the "aero-widgets" and winglets took away allot of the engineering prowess and "colour" from the cars (well, less Honda's lame attempts LOL)

    To keep a chassis on the flat during a 200kph corner is just remarkable IMHO... but that's the geek/tech side of me - OTOH, I too also hope for more overtaking this year - be it KERS or wings what have you... last years front wing created for "disturbance" was a massive failure - The only thing that made/kept last season interesting was all the wet ... the ultimate equaliser - I remember the KERS graphic from 2 seasons ago - and liked watching that drain, and all the on board telemetry - Good stuff...

  • So I was driving to work yesterday listening to my iPod as usual and I heard a very familiar voice come over the speakers saying some very familiar things. It was then that I realized I had reached stardom, I was actually on Sidepodcast! Wow, what an honour. Thanks for putting me in your podcast...again!

    I would like to volunteer for your panel as well. I hope the time difference isn't to inconvenient.

    Sorry to have been MIA the past week. I am still looking to replace my PFY and I am also pondering a job offer. More $, but longer commute. Kinda like Tonio. Be a test driver at a good team or drive for HRT.

    I like HRT, they have heart.

    Eyeteaguy

  • I have added a strange review in a strange land for Another F1 Podcast: sidepodcast.com/p…s#comment-1036965

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