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Episode 67 - Unless something spectacular happens, this is gonna be a really dull race // Coverage of the racing action at Magny-Cours with a good news roundup as well

Published by Christine Blachford

In a week where there is no news, we discuss all the events of the race weekend in France, including the many penalties, how drivers stack up against their team mates, and what did we really learn from the safety car test?

Intro

We got a shout out on 5live thanks to Scott.

Good week / Bad week

Good week for France, bad week for... No, wait, there is no news.

Qualifying

The safety car test during Free Practice didn't reveal as much as we hoped, and the drivers are also wary. We had an insider at the track, and Ferrari appeared to have it all under control.

The Race

A great start to the comments in Murray Walker fashion, some overtaking, some exhaust issues, and some really poor weekends for certain teams. Plus, a Fantasy Racers update.

Feedback

Matt leaves us a great voicemail in three parts, Andrew is discussing one car teams on Facebook, and the anonymous drop.io images are claimed.

Linkage




  • woah, that really was the longest day. hopefully all is well. i just checked f1.com, and DHL are saying that was kimi's 5th fastest lap in a row:

    www.formula1.com/…fastest_laps.html

    do let us know if you spot any other mistakes ...i don't know what you call them.

    :)

  • Morning.... Go to sleep now!

  • And thank you, I can now listen on my way to work and beat everyone else :)

  • And thank you, I can now listen on my way to work and beat everyone else

    just gotta update the feeds, and then we will. promise.

  • Awesome. It's working!

  • A great podcast. Thanks for all your late night staying up.

    On the suggestion about having 1 car teams at the back I did have a sudden idea. Is this not the solution for customer teams? You could have a Prodrive car (racing a customer McLaren), a Super Aguri, a Torro Rosso and a... Jordan! (or something)...

    The main teams would have less to complain about because the teams wouldn't be able to do as well in the constructors with only one car...

    Although, to be honest, I can still see a customer McLaren soring more often than a Force India...

  • Unless Something Spectacular Happens, This is Gonna be a Really Dull Race

    I knew that was going to come back to bite me.

    Before I start commenting at 4:30 in the morning, I should probably get a cup of coffee/espresso/tea in me. I'm not particularly a morning person.

    In light of my faux pas from the French Grand Prix live commenting, I'm starting a new contest on Facebook: The James Allen Memorial Faux Pas contest.

    Transcribe down a quote from anyone in the F1 universe which is funny for being obvious, ironic, over-the-top, or just jaw-dropping.

    www.facebook.com/…p;uid=22534566720

  • I knew that was going to come back to bite me.

    hehe, you know us too well.

    good game, i have a feeling this is going to be a popular one!

  • wOOt go The Lynch Mob! Biggest Climbers although still at the bottom of the ladder...

  • Heh, what's funny is I scored the most points for France in the Sidepodcast league, yet I'm still in the bottom 10 :P

    But I joined later, so I shouldn't grumble about it. :D 8th best score overall for the race is still something to smile about.

    Again, well done for a great show. Unlike the rest of you, I had the common sense to go to sleep and listen to the podcast in the morning, but I will say thanks to you guys for all that hard work and to get it out at the time you did is just phenomenal. Just proves you two are totally committed. Bravo for that :)

  • Yay: Another race means another Sidepodcast episode. Finally F1 has a purpose.

    Not yay: I went to look at Drop.io and call me a thicky but I don't get it. I thought it was a picture gallery of some kind, but 30 seconds of trying to figure it out (yes, I gave it a good hard go, that's twice what I'd normally spend) got me nowhere. Now I'm thinking I've missed the point of it completely!

  • went to look at Drop.io and call me a thicky but I don’t get it.

    Essentially, drop.io is a place where you can upload things to share with other people. It has photos, but also links, videos, notes and any types of files (audio, pdf, excel).

    It's ordered by day, you can see that yesterday there is the podcast (audio), a picture, and lots of race technical reports (pdf).

    If you're looking for something in particular, you can order by media type - in the top right of the page just click media, and it sorts by file type rather than by date. I don't find that view particularly helpful, but others may.

    Hope that helps, you're certainly not a thicky, it took me a couple of weeks to see the point of it. :)

  • Thanks as always, its a pleasure to have you both closing the weekend's action for me.

    I can't believe you stayed up 'till quarter to five to complete it! - I hope you're not planning on making a habit of that.

  • I have to say i love drop.io! It's brilliant since it's so simple to use and you don't even have to register.

    I'm just after uploading some of my f1 (and non-f1) drawings. I hope you like them!

    Oh and brilliant podcast as always!!

  • Just proves you two are totally committed.

    just proves we should be committed!

    I thought it was a picture gallery of some kind

    i would describe it as "anything you want it to be". a magic box full of formula 1 stuff. and if it's not to your taste, add your own flavourings.

    christine's explanation was better though.

    I hope you’re not planning on making a habit of that.

    never.again.

  • I’m just after uploading some of my f1 (and non-f1) drawings. I hope you like them!

    zb, they rock. nuff said.

    and now we already have two topics for next weeks show... and it's only monday :)

  • zb, they rock. nuff said.

    Thank you!

  • www.bpchampionshi…index.php?lang=uk

    It's not an f1 game but it's alot of fun!!

  • Hey, this is interesting - i've just watched the french gp video someone put up on drop.io, and after watching hamilton's antics with vettel, i would have to say, and i'm not saying this because i'm a hamilton fan, that he should not have received a penalty. As far as the camera shows me, he was already more than halfway in front of vettel before it, and then it does show him having to put on some opposite lock, which means the back end did get out of shape, he looks like he did pass him cleanly and therefore should not have recieved a penalty.

    Also, did anyone else notice at the end when the clip has the brazilian commentator, they played the same music to celebrate his win as they did for senna. do you think Brazil regards Massa as their modern-day Senna?

  • regarding those pictures, i created a "2005 kimi raikkonen mclaren" mercedes on the game forza motorsport 2. would you like me to take some pics and upload them?

  • This is completely off-topic, but I've updated my practice-qualifying-race comparitor spreadsheet. Not only does it now have the Saturday and Sunday statistics, but I've sorted out some calculation errors in the "Conclusions" table that were previously giving weird results.

    Oh, and there's a 92% average correlation between Friday Practise 2 and the race.

  • Brilliant podcast guys! It has made me a little sad though :( cause it reminded me of Honda's poor weekend :( I hope you two are not too tired after staying up so late. :D

    I hope to see lots of photos from testing this week :D Speaking of photos has anyone seen Stuart's photos? He has some of Jenson :)

  • Some of the history against James Allen (F1's worst common'tater) from the SniffPetrol site are amusing though not allways clean, here's a like to the joyious momnet of the BBC annountment.... sniff Petrol Style

    www.sniffpetrol.c…ck-stoppin-beebs/

  • regarding those pictures, i created a “2005 kimi raikkonen mclaren” mercedes on the game forza motorsport 2. would you like me to take some pics and upload them?

    Yes please!

  • Hey, this is interesting - i’ve just watched the french gp video someone put up on drop.io, and after watching hamilton’s antics with vettel, i would have to say, and i’m not saying this because i’m a hamilton fan, that he should not have received a penalty.

    What really annoys me about that rule is that it is applied to some drivers and not others. The Hamilton incident was difficult to judge - it looked like he had driven past on the straight before the corner.

    Hamilton’s comment on the matter - 'I didn't want to turn in on Vettel who was still partially along side' seemed reasonable enough to me. If Hamilton had tripped over Vettel’s front wheel or wing what would we be saying now?

    You need to be careful with this sort of judgement call, because you don't want to encourage drivers to start pushing each other off at the chicanes, then taking the place by default.

    In my opinion, this is one of the all time great passes, but how would the FIA deal with it?

    www.youtube.com/w…tch?v=ywsB65YfLOQ

  • I’ve updated my practice-qualifying-race comparitor spreadsheet

    thanks alianora.

    Oh, and there’s a 92% average correlation between Friday Practise 2 and the race.

    wow. in that case, with this information you're going to be untouchable on fantasyracers.

    It has made me a little sad though cause it reminded me of Honda’s poor weekend

    sorry. was desperately scrabbling for something positive to say. i think the fact that jenson's done quite a bit of safety car would lead me to suggest they didn't spend enough time aero testing. let's see how they do tomorrow.

    Speaking of photos has anyone seen Stuart’s photos? He has some of Jenson

    if he took those especially for you lou, that is very sweet :)

    great capture of wurz there too.

  • sorry. was desperately scrabbling for something positive to say.

    It's hard to find anything possitive to say about Honda just recently ;) yeah with the updates coming tomorrow they may improve.... well that's what i'm hoping anyway :D I wonder if they would be quicker without the dumbo wings and wheel bins...the wheel bins can't do much at all cause they hardly cover the wheel...so they are just adding extra weight...

  • Yeah, just a quick quote from JYS.

    "We've seen a rash of penalties handed out by the FIA recently – both in the form of grid penalties and in fines," said Stewart. "There rarely seems to be any compassion or any real attempt to see the driver's side.

    "The drivers are also complaining at a ten-fold increase in the cost of the super-licences which allow them to race. No one can see what they're getting in return for the extra charge, which makes it look like just another way for the FIA to raise money. I don't know of any other sport where the competitors have to pay for a licence to take part.

    "You can also ask questions about the consistency with which penalties are applied. A lot of people – and not McLaren personnel – are saying that the FIA are more interested in finding faults at McLaren than at other teams.

    "For example, in the French race, Kimi Raikkonen's exhaust system broke and part of it was visibly hanging off the car. Why wasn't he called into the pits to have the loose piece removed? That could have been the 'Make it happen' moment of the race.

    "Eventually the loose bodywork flew off the car, which could easily have been dangerous to the public or to another driver. Some people will say that if it had happened with a McLaren, the team would have been fined."

    And those penalties do rob us of great racing at the front, penalise drivers in a different way. Maybe the frontrunners have to charge thru the field but look at Hamilton who is not used to that - he makes mistakes. Although, surprisingly, grandprix.com mentioned no mistakes from Hamilton and even called him the only driver of the race and simply the only F1 driver in general who produces interesting racing. I guess my comment - if it was transmitted to Joe - made things worse. Mein gott, grandprix.com is going down in flames...

  • Yeah, just a quick quote from JYS

    that's a pretty good summary from the man. and while i agree with him, stewart does have an agenda here and he'll likely take any high ground he can over max.

    Mein gott, grandprix.com is going down in flames…

    joe isn't credited as writing the race report on his site, but i'm assuming it was him. of this point:

    "Magny-Cours tends to produce dull races and this was another one"

    was he watching a different race to us? action all the way through the field from start to finish. a pass for the lead on track and yet another change of lead in the WDC. what more does the man want?

  • I wish someone could wave a magic wand and replace Max with JYS. Preferably starting ten years ago. As usual I agree with what he says. It could be argues the there is the slightest case for Hamilton's drive through but Kovalainen's penalty was a joke and Raikkonen being allowed to drive round while a lump of metal is flailing around on a bit of wire is beyond belief. They didn't even tell Ferrari to take it off at their routine pit stop. I think Max appointed his boy Donnelly to make sure Ferrari beat McLaren this year to compensate him for not being able to ban them.

    Please feel free to delete this next comment if you feel it is inflammatory. What chance does a black driver have with someone of Max's political persuasion running the show?

  • About as much chance as anyone else - which is to say none. Max's primary political policy seems to be "all the power to him and none to anyone else (unless he feels like giving them a few scraps to make them feel indebted to him)".

  • I've just looked at what iPaper did to the comparitor - and it's a bit of a mess, to be honest. I struggled to read large parts of it. Oh well...

  • I’ve just looked at what iPaper did to the comparitor - and it’s a bit of a mess, to be honest. I struggled to read large parts of it. Oh well…

    i downloaded it and it's fine. i think iPaper could do with a portrait mode :)

  • stewart does have an agenda here and he’ll likely take any high ground he can over max

    Absolutely, I agree. But the comment was clever since Max is not in the position to comment on anything this season. JYS is no certified halfwit but a clever man.

    was he watching a different race to us?

    Maybe Joe's growing tired of F1? Stuart must get him to comment here and explain some of the stuff he writes.

  • Please feel free to delete this next comment if you feel it is inflammatory.

    i don't find it inflammatory, but if anyone else does, please yell.

    i do totally disagree with you however. max's "issues" are with ron. hamilton has no bearing on it, other than it's him who has to bear the brunt of the penalties.

  • Maybe Joe’s growing tired of F1?

    i hope not.

    it's a shame he doesn't allow comments on his site, makes it very hard to put questions and opinions across.

    maybe we should drop some thoughts / constructive criticism into the contact form and see if there's a response.

    we could copy them here for the sake of transparency. what do you think?

  • I have found the answer to the Goodwood hill for Christine and it carries all me's beer. Picture on dropio.

    Found @ GPWizard

    This could be the greatest race day goodie ever. The Cruzin' Cooler, a self-propelled riding beer cooler! I ran into these at the Earth Angel Super Cruise this past week-end.

    They were asking $499 for this electric one. They also have a gasoline powered model. For those of you with a thirst like mine, a cooler trailer is also sold. The padded seat & backrest is optional. A bulb horn may also be had. They seem to have a good charge life. A young man was riding around on one most of the afternoon on one charge.

  • Please feel free to delete this next comment if you feel it is inflammatory. What chance does a black driver have with someone of Max’s political persuasion running the show?

    I think they will have all the chance in the world if they drive for Ferrari.

  • i guess we probably shouldn't hang the stewards on the basis of just one race should we? i mean nico got a penalty alongside lewis for this race.

    maybe they just had an off day? kovi's was at least consistent with others we've seen this year, whether i agree or not. and then you're just down to just two poor decisions. hardly the end of the world is it?

  • The Cruzin’ Cooler, a self-propelled riding beer cooler! I ran into these at the Earth Angel Super Cruise this past week-end.

    oh. yeah.

    it's going to struggle with that incline though isn't it??

  • it’s going to struggle with that incline though isn’t it??

    Just how steep is Goodwood Hill?

  • Watch out for shark fin force india's at the silverstone test!!

    www.autosport.com…port.php/id/68595

    Any ideas what a 'inerter' damper is?

  • Just how steep is Goodwood Hill?

    dunno, steep.

    i googled it and found this description:

    "It’s a really deceptive hill, because it starts off gently, then there’s a really steep bit and then it goes into the trees."

    sadly, that's a quote from this page:

    www.sidepodcast.c…oodwood-fos-2007/

  • Any ideas what a ‘inerter’ damper is?

    yeah, it's like a tuned mass damper, except different because ferrari have figured out how this one works, so it's within the regulations and thus won't get banned.

    fif1 are just about the last team to run with one i think.

  • yeah, it’s like a tuned mass damper

    Ah, thats what it is. Was that the thing that forced massa to retire in last year's italian gp?

  • http://blogs.topgear.com/tag/racing/

    Could this point to a top gear f1 show next year?

  • it’s going to struggle with that incline though isn’t it??

    They do a petrol version. The hill is steep enough to make a sit on drinks cooler very appealing.

    Any ideas what a ‘inerter’ damper is?

    This is the famous McLaren J damper which everyone now has because a Renault employee nicked the design when he went to Renault and the FIA kindly circulated the details in the text of the Renault enquiry. Mark Hughes in Autosport did a really good description of it two weeks ago which may be on their site somewhere.

    The guy who invented it decided that suspension design could be equated to electrical circuitry but there was not an equivalent to the electrical capacitor in suspension so he invented one. McLaren acquired sole worldwide rights to it so everyone else who is running it is in breach of McLaren's rights but Ron Dennis has said they will not prosecute even though they would be certain to win. Seems odd McLaren can't run anything they learned from Ferrari but the whole grid can openly run technology that the FIA know is stolen from McLaren and yet they choose to do nothing about it. In the interests of balance no-one else should have been allowed to run J Dampers this season.

  • “Magny-Cours tends to produce dull races and this was another one”

    was he watching a different race to us? action all the way through the field from start to finish. a pass for the lead on track and yet another change of lead in the WDC. what more does the man want?

    Perhaps Joe was distracted by the spectacle of Anne Giuntini (sitting opposite him) weeping and wailing when Fernando got jumped at the start.

    yeah, it’s like a tuned mass damper, except different because ferrari have figured out how this one works, so it’s within the regulations and thus won’t get banned.

    Tut tut, you cynic!

    We asked the bloke who did the research behind the inerter to explain it in our next issue. Unfortunately the explanation has led to yet more confusion. We're deep into boffin territory here. The principle of the research was that a car's suspension is in many ways analagous to an electrical circuit. His idea was that if you can build passive electrical resistance into a circuit, why not into a car's suspension?

    The inerter is legal because although it's a moveable device, McLaren (who've been using the technology since 2005) were able to prove that it optimises the tyre's contact patch and has no effect on aerodynamic performance. The mass damper, remember, was banned under the grounds that it was a moveable aerodynamic device.

    To confuse further, the inerter isn't actually a damper anyway because it stores energy rather than dissipating it.

    Phew. I'm off now.

    SC

  • Yeah, just a quick quote from JYS.

    “We’ve seen a rash of penalties handed out by the FIA recently – both in the form of grid penalties and in fines,” said Stewart. “There rarely seems to be any compassion or any real attempt to see the driver’s side.

    Here's a Format that could very well minimize some of the penalties seen over the years.

    It could be argues the there is the slightest case for Hamilton’s drive through but Kovalainen’s penalty was a joke and Raikkonen being allowed to drive round while a lump of metal is flailing around on a bit of wire is beyond belief.

    Again Ferrari not only managed Kimi's car to stay in contention on track but even restored bits of power loss after the exhaust broke...... But how exactly did they do that? question was brought up repeatedly during the PC but kimi didn't express much beyond his admission of power loss.

  • Ron Dennis has said they will not prosecute even though they would be certain to win.

    hmm... digs out cynics hat again... that's absolute rubbish.

    not only is nothing certain in the murky world of patents, but now that the information is in the public domain (regardless of how it got there), how in world are mclaren going to protect it?

    rbr cannot protect their shark-fin and ferrari can't block anyone using wheel bins.

    you cannot protect an idea, only an implementation of an idea.

    so if ron is certain he'll win, that means he knows how each and every team have implemented this concept, and if that's the case his team must have been involved in some serious espionage this year.

    either he's been misquoted on this matter, or ron is talking out of his backside.

  • i googled it and found this description:

    “It’s a really deceptive hill, because it starts off gently, then there’s a really steep bit and then it goes into the trees.”

    haha I thought I had seen that quote before ;) well I look forward to it...it can't be as steep as the mountain in Wales I climbed last summer ;) Now that was steep and not fun to climb at all!

    Could this point to a top gear f1 show next year?

    possibly, but it's doubtful I'm afraid...if it was to happen it would be with different presenters as only Jeremy actually watches Formula 1.

  • We asked the bloke who did the research behind the inerter to explain it in our next issue. Unfortunately the explanation has led to yet more confusion.

    if you run with the story i'll read with interest. i honestly can't see why one would be illegal and another not.

    my bet is, if the tyre war was still ongoing and bridgestone couldn't optimise their rubber around a j-damper system, it would be banned at the most inconvenient of times.

  • possibly, but it’s doubtful I’m afraid…if it was to happen it would be with different presenters as only Jeremy actually watches Formula 1.

    i think it's a ruse to fuel the rumour mill.

    i think bernie knows the real talent on topgear is the post-production crew and the people behind-the-scenes.

    they're the ones he's interested in working with. the guy has a massive tented village, running a state-of-the-art broadcasting operation and bernie needs the talent to make the most of it, not a pretty face to stand in front of it.

    my bestest wild speculation right now anyhow.

  • maybe we should drop some thoughts / constructive criticism into the contact form and see if there’s a response.

    we could copy them here for the sake of transparency. what do you think?

    I did it already. Yesterday.

    Penalties are really weird these days in F1. I kinda like WTCC thing with weights. Penalise a driver with a couple of extra kilos or at least 5 places instead of 10 for mistakes. But then again a little patience paid out for Kova while Lewis, despite some lovely moves on Alonso, drove a nervous race like Bahrain.

  • not only is nothing certain in the murky world of patents, but now that the information is in the public domain (regardless of how it got there), how in world are mclaren going to protect it?

    The inerter is already patented so it is in the public domain. I work a lot with patents and people who know a lot more about them than me. It is possible to get a generic patent that would cover inerters in suspension. Like all patents someone will eventually find something better oor find a different way of doing it but that takes time whereas running the McLaren system or using it as a base is near instantaneous unless you are Renault and couldn't make it work for 18 months even with the McLaren design.

    well I look forward to it…it can’t be as steep as the mountain in Wales I climbed last summer

    The good thing about Goodwood is you can stop regularly and watch a few cars go by before you tackle the next bit. The last time I was there they had tractors with trailers on them taking people to the top of the hill. Unfortunately they didn't have tractors with chilled beer.

  • And one more thing - people who are registered as Renault F1 community members, you can vote for my two RF1 PP sketches again, I was in top 10 but lost my place to another guy. It would be nice to win that trip to Hungary. But of course, it's just a power of dreams.

    You can click on my name to access the page.

  • It is possible to get a generic patent that would cover inerters in suspension.

    it is, but only because people handing out patents have no clue what the heck they're doing, in this country or others. they can be challenged though.

    unless you are Renault and couldn’t make it work for 18 months even with the McLaren design

    yeah, i don't believe that either. something doesn't add up there, but as yet i can't even guess as to what might have happened.

    The last time I was there they had tractors with trailers on them taking people to the top of the hill. Unfortunately they didn’t have tractors with chilled beer.

    you should contact them about that, there's a flaw in their plan.

  • The inerter is already patented so it is in the public domain. I work a lot with patents and people who know a lot more about them than me. It is possible to get a generic patent that would cover inerters in suspension. Like all patents someone will eventually find something better oor find a different way of doing it but that takes time whereas running the McLaren system or using it as a base is near instantaneous unless you are Renault and couldn’t make it work for 18 months even with the McLaren design.

    Absolutely.

    Certain people would like everyone to believe that McLaren haven't sued out of the pure goodness of their hearts. The actual reason is that - as Steven points out – the concept is in the public domain.

    The professor we spoke to said that if you look at the inerter in isolation then its function isn't immediately apparent. That's why everyone else was so slow to catch on.

  • The professor we spoke to said that if you look at the inerter in isolation then its function isn’t immediately apparent. That’s why everyone else was so slow to catch on.

    to a degree possibly. but phil presumably knew it was important or he wouldn't have taken it with him?

    so i'm still at a loss as to why renault say they couldn't figure it out. i'm also assuming it's not the kind of thing you can hide, and nobody seems to have spotted it on their cars until they ran it recently.

    doesn't make a whole heap of sense to me.

  • Just how steep is Goodwood Hill?

    It's really quite steep, but like I said last year, apparently, it is deceptive. It's really the one bit before you get to the trees that is the nightmare.

    Last year when it was muddy, we didn't even attempt to climb it because I wasn't sure my shoes were grippy enough!!

  • The last time I was there they had tractors with trailers on them taking people to the top of the hill. Unfortunately they didn’t have tractors with chilled beer.

    The queue for the tractors was absolutely ridiculous though. Maybe they should have the chilled beer for the people waiting in line.

  • Last year when it was muddy, we didn’t even attempt to climb it because I wasn’t sure my shoes were grippy enough!!

    in fairness, you weren't wearing sensible shoes.

    coming down is sometimes as bad, in the wet you easily slide far too much, far too fast.

    don't let us put you off though. it's only a hill :)

  • don’t let us put you off though. it’s only a hill

    Absolutely, don't be put off, because it's always worth going to the top and seeing the drivers climb out of the cars :)

  • Absolutely, don’t be put off

    if it's not a sellout already, it will be after our words of encouragement :)

  • to a degree possibly. but phil presumably knew it was important or he wouldn’t have taken it with him?

    At the time I wrote a piece somewhere on the whole thing but I can't remember where or whether I have a copy. Mackerreth was something like a hydraulics designer and claimed that the stuff he took was to remember the work he had been involved in. Strangely he didn't take anything from the area he worked in. He took the J-damper which only McLaren had and he took the quick shift gearbox design where McLaren had a lead on the rest of the grid. I can't remember the other stuff but had I been a senior manager at Renault and had been interviewing him it was all the kind of stuff that would have swayed my decision to employ him.

  • but had I been a senior manager at Renault and had been interviewing him it was all the kind of stuff that would have swayed my decision to employ him.

    agreed. but did the team then really go and mess up the design of such a system given all of the information they had to hand?

    if so... how? and if not, why not run the thing?

  • don’t let us put you off though. it’s only a hill

    hehe you couldn't put me off ;) I'm soooo excited about Goodwood! :D I have been listening to the Goodwood podcast from last year again and if it's even half as good as it was last year it will still be a great day :D

    Absolutely, don’t be put off, because it’s always worth going to the top and seeing the drivers climb out of the cars :D

    I wonder if Jenson will be there on Saturday... :D

  • I wonder if Jenson will be there on Saturday…

    fos site says:

    "Jenson Button, star driver for Honda Racing F1, will drive the Honda RA107 on Saturday and Sunday."

    www.goodwood.co.u…ofspeed/News.aspx

  • fos site says:

    “Jenson Button, star driver for Honda Racing F1, will drive the Honda RA107 on Saturday and Sunday.”

    Ooo thank you :D yay! :D did i mention i am bringing a friend along...she is there purely to make sure i don't make an idiot of myself ;)

  • did i mention i am bringing a friend along…she is there purely to make sure i don’t make an idiot of myself

    sounds v.cool. looking forward to it.

    (although, my brain only does one event at a time, so goodwood is still a lifetime away at the moment).

  • Ooo thank you

    also, don't tell christine but le seb will be there. but no word on franck as yet.

  • I am down to 1:41.7 in the reasonably priced car. 15th overall but the leasder is a cheating ***** as he completed the lap in 0.1 seconds.

    I actually found 0.5 seconds by picking up a new line from watching the Stig in the Ferrari Scuderia last night.

  • also, don’t tell christine but le seb will be there. but no word on franck as yet.

    yeah I saw... perhaps after Franck's great racing at Le mans he will be there...or maybe he will be there as a spectator.... If he is there, I'm sure Christine will find/see him ;)

  • I actually found 0.5 seconds by picking up a new line from watching the Stig in the Ferrari Scuderia last night.

    no freakin' way?

  • Seriously. At the exit to the right hander after the hammer head I was moving back to the right for the next left hander but the Stig stays left and it works.

  • Seriously. At the exit to the right hander after the hammer head I was moving back to the right for the next left hander but the Stig stays left and it works.

    that is amazing.

    so if it's that realistic, and i'm hopeless at the game. that makes me genuinely rubbish, doesn't it?

  • so if it’s that realistic, and i’m hopeless at the game. that makes me genuinely rubbish, doesn’t it?

    Yeah but that's OK because it must mean I am really good. Maybe I should do a track guide for all the slow drivers. :)

  • Maybe I should do a track guide for all the slow drivers

    if you could do that it would help muchly.

  • I was joking but if it helps.

    Next to the stopwatch is a penalty indicator. If you cross the red lines bordering the track the stopwatch starts to speed up. The more penalty bars showing the faster it goes until you get out of the penalty zone. Think of each bar as a gearchange for the stop watch.

    At the start just plant the throttle and take off in a straight line. I tried pulsing the throttle to see if it would help get traction and it makes no difference. Remember as in a real car every little steering input increase the rolling resistance so don’t touch the steering unless you have to. So if you get all your steering right first time you will gain time.

    The first corner is a non-event so just turn in and stay to the right on the exit. The next corner doesn’t need braking or lifting the throttle. It may take a few attempts before you can turn in under power and make it stick. As you turn in you see what you think is the apex but the apex you want is just a little later. Keep the power on until you are about half way across the road and then jump on the brakes and steer left at the same time. Not exactly the classic technique but it works. It takes a lot of practise before you can hit the apex every time. As you pass the apex start pulsing the throttle feeding in more and more throttle until you have it flat down by the time you hit the extreme right of the circuit. It seems odd but you need as quickly as possible to get the car three quarters of the way over to the left side of the track. This is worth a fair bit of time.

    I really haven’t figured the next corner at all yet but my latest version which has gained me a little bit of time is to turn in early after lifting off and then getting on the brakes as soon as the front end grips on turn in. I have changed my mind a dozen times as to how to tackle this corner. With this version you can get back on the throttle around the apex but as with the previous corner you have to get slowly on the throttle. Too much throttle and the inside front will lift and you will spin in. Equally too much steering input does the same. This corner is really important because if you can gain 1 or 2 mph at the exit you will carry that speed all the way down the straight.

    As soon as you reach the left edge of the track aim for the right hand chevron board you can see in the distance. Before you reach the braking point for the hammerhead you should point the car straight down the track. Again forget any classic technique and brake through the first two apexes. This corner looks like a chicane but the second part is really a hairpin so you have one apex on the left at the chicane followed by one on the right and then keep going right and hit a third apex almost all the way round the hairpin and exit to the left.

    The next right hander should be taken flat. It took me ages to be able to do this. I started with a little touch on the brakes then I tried a confidence lift off the throttle now I can take it flat every time. Once you get really smooth you can get all the way to the exit without the front right lifting but it is difficult. I can do it maybe 3 times out of ten. As I learned from the Stig you stay on the left for the next corner and take it flat. Just try to be as smooth as possible.

    I really haven’t the slightest idea how to do the next corner. I have tried braking diagonally at the apex and I have tried staying wide and turning in late. I have no idea which is best so like the fourth corner I have a lot of time I can find here. The last corner is simply a case of standing on the brakes and practically stopping before you turn in. It is so narrow that the only line is straight down the middle.

    Do all of the above and you finish the lap in 1:41.7. To be fair I have only once been below 1:43.

  • after watching hamilton’s antics with vettel, i would have to say, and i’m not saying this because i’m a hamilton fan, that he should not have received a penalty.

    @Scott, been away want to respond... I have also re-looked at that move. I thought there is no ways he is going to make that chicane which would mean that he made an advantage over Vettel and basically should have handed back. After my attempt to defend Nick and then he produced the worst race of his life virtually. I thought you would be interested that Vettel has come and said he should have had the penalty and leave the rest to his words.

    “He had a better exit than me from the Adelaide hairpin. I was inside, to defend my position, and had the better line for curves six and seven. Lewis arrived with more speed, I went from the gas and braked and he kept going. For me it was clear that he was going to cut the chicane.”

    “He cut the chicane completely. I had a similar situation at the Monaco chicane, when I was too late on the brakes. I overtook two cars but I let them go again and so the issue was settled. If someone stays out in front, there is a penalty. I think he should have let me past again because he had a better car and could have passed me again.”

    DeSeb does not sound much of Lewis fan either.

  • Perhaps Joe was distracted by the spectacle of Anne Giuntini (sitting opposite him) weeping and wailing when Fernando got jumped at the start. {Stuart Codling - 32 posts ago}

    I heard Anne was somewhat pro-Alonso, but I never imagine she was that much of a Fernando fanatic. Didn't she know there were 69 laps left for Fernando to do something?

    We asked the bloke who did the research behind the inerter to explain it in our next issue. Unfortunately the explanation has led to yet more confusion. {Stuart Codling - 32 comments ago}

    Sounds like a typical scientist type to me. More concerned about making things work than communicating them to others. Essential to F1's coolness factor, but it must have been frustrating for your researchers, nonetheless?

    To confuse further, the inerter isn’t actually a damper anyway because it stores energy rather than dissipating it. {Stuart Codling - 32 comments ago}

    Ah! So it's a kinetic battery-cum-capacitor. Thanks for that - the inertial damper makes perfect sense now (even if its naming does not). The thing is that means it must be recovering energy from its surroundings. Surely this means there's a limit on how much energy the damper can receive? Article 5.22 of the Technical Regulations specifies that there can only be 300kJ of energy stored in the car at a time, and that there's a further restriction on anything recovering energy at a rate of more than 2kW. Does the FIA have a way of monitoring the energy recovery of these inertial dampers and will this help them monitor the KERS restrictions they're imposing on the devices next year?

  • I was joking but if it helps.

    blimey, that's comprehensive. will try friday evening :)

  • Does the FIA have a way of monitoring the energy recovery of these inertial dampers and will this help them monitor the KERS restrictions they’re imposing on the devices next year?

    on that point. does the fia actually understand what they do?

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