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Episode 57 - It was a long seven minutes in the Renault world // All the action from the Malaysian Grand Prix, with feedback, news and more

Published by Christine Blachford

What with races in the middle of the night, and podcast delays due to laptop troubles, we at Sidepodcast Towers are very, very confused. However, we try and make sense of the madness in Episode 57.

Intro

Breaking god knows how many copyright laws never felt so good.

Good week / Bad week

Good week for Kovalainen and Vettel, but a bad week for Force India and the concept of aerodynamics.

News and views

Toro Rosso are for sale - want to buy an F1 team? The BBC get F1 rights - why? And will it be any good? Finally, Jean Todt steps down as CEO of Ferrari but is he stepping into another role?

Qualifying

Reliability problems continue, with David Coulthard's Red Bull shattering, and Kimi running out of fuel. One-lap specialist Trulli is no doubt in a good mood after his stellar lap and how scary was the footage from Heidfeld's final lap?

The race

Wondering who will be first out of the door, Massa or Nakajima, and who will replace them?Attempting to defend Bourdais, is it fair to compare him to Vettel? And cheering on Webber because he not only finished the race but picked up a couple of points as well.

Feedback

A Fantasy Racers Sidepodcast league update, some new tagline submissions, and proof that there's no rivalry between Melbourne and Sydney.




  • Christine,

    Be quiet:) it was a lovely moment to hear "the chain" again, rendered in beautiful fi for this old guy.

    A lovely moment. Thank you. A perfect 10 for sidepodcast!

    brendan

  • hehehe did i really type 'Ted needs a jiggle'? I had not noticed! sorry yes i was really really tired! Im glad it made you laugh :D hehe Yes i love the live comments too! Its great

    Great podcast!! one of my favourates so far, very very funny!! Well worth the wait till monday!

  • I love the Chain. You have to keep it.

    Vettel’s contract is complicated enough since BMW think they have a claim on it as well as Toro Rosso so it would take a lot of negotiating to get him to Ferrario. That does have a ring to it.

    The further out the mirrors move the more out of the driver’s field of view they are so the driver will spend less time looking at them. The last thing a driver wants to be doing approaching a braking zone is turning his head 90 degrees to look in a mirror.

    Berger says he wants to stay on after the sale but he just is setting out his negotiating position with Mateschitz. Berger has made money on every deal he has ever been involved in.

    ITV cancelled the contract not Bernie. ITV had two years left on their contract so if they had wanted to keep broadcasting there was nothing Bernie could do about it. I am sure Bernie is happy because he would have had a pay clause in the contract and BBC have paid him for the rights so for the next two seasons he is being paid twice.

    Todt being FIA President would be horrendous but Ferrario already have a load of influence in the FIA. Marco Piccinini is already Deputy President and is on the board of Ferrari. Todt is the teams representative. The karting representative on the WMSC is a childhood friend of Piero Ferrari. No-one associated with any other team is involved in the higher reaches of the FIA.

    Nakajima won’t go. Toyota want him there. Besides if they place a slow driver in a Williams he won’t be able to beat the factory cars. I think Nakajima will turn out OK though.

    Vettel was overheating? There was smoke and flames coming from the back of the engine. No wonder it was running hot.

    Brake dust is very abrasive so you really don’t want to have it trapped around the wheel bearing, wheel nut etc. The problem now is that the drum arrangement they have inboard of the disc traps it. Before the dust used to dissipate into the atmosphere and the drivers’ lungs.

    I have heard you mention the enhanced podcast before. Where or how can I find that?

  • "Todt being FIA President would be horrendous"

    Ferrari get away with enough cheating, and results are fixed already for them: I'm fed up with them. Its time for the other teams to have a chance: and the way things are going with BMW/Toyota and maybe Honda finally getting into gear at last: its time for the red cars to take a back seat for a while.

    I was not fed up with Michael Schumacher: I am fed up of the vile Frog and his minions. Give it all back to Italians: let them make pasta out of the machine.....and F1 can grow anew.

    Who is not pleased with the BMW's coming into the fray? Lets not kill that nascent joy with creating another Jean Marie Balestre and worse.

    "ITV cancelled the contract not Bernie."

    Lousy ratings, and while ITV tried: they couldn't get over the ads during the racing thing. Their attitude towards racing was exemplified by how they dealt with the driver interviews at race end in Malaysia. The production team have more clout than the race team: and that never works.

    The BBC have clearly made promises to Bernie: and I'm absolutely certain they will keep them: they know what a prize it is. F1 will be cosseted in Aunties blouse this time, they have more channels, and can deal properly with the asset they have. Maybe we can get test cricket back too........

    brendan

  • Berger has made money on every deal he has ever been involved in.

    'tis true, but i think since his return to f1, he's always looked like he's enjoying it. i can't see him wanting to just disappear.

    ITV cancelled the contract not Bernie.

    i wish i could believe that, but when was the last time anyone canceled a contract on bernie? itv cannot afford to pay him anything for nothing.

    Vettel was overheating?

    apparently before the engine blew he had problems with power steering and gear changes. he could just be saying that though, given who's providing the horsepower.

    good points all of them steven, any idea why the beemers are running so hot and why kubica doesn't mind telling everyone about it?

  • Who is not pleased with the BMW’s coming into the fray?

    agreed, love 'em.

  • I have heard you mention the enhanced podcast before. Where or how can I find that?

    enhanced podcasts play on apple hardware / software (so iPod, iPhone, iTunes etc).

    you can view them by downloading iTunes, then subscribing the the enhanced feed. essentially these are audio + pictures + chapters.

    details on the various subscription options are available on the feeds page.

  • Didn't Nick Heidfeld have a similar problem with his water in Australia? If I was a BMW driver I'd be asking for the team to come up with a solution pronto, because you don't want to be driving around in hot places like Australia and Malaysia with no water.

  • Not really knowing about where the water is placed in the cockpit i can only guess as to why Heidfeld's water is hotter than other driver's. Maybe its in a different position in the car, closer to the engine. As i said i have no idea where the water is usually in the car, just a suggestion from a tired mind. :)

  • "agreed, love ‘em."

    Me,

    For this moment: Senor: we are in synch:)

    brendan

  • Thanks for another great show, Sidey.

    I don't think either Massa or Nakajima will be going anytime soon. Not at least before the year is over.

    Massa too valuable to the teams overall performance, he knows the car a lot better than Vettel and has more experience than he does.

    Nakajima has only completed 3 races so far, I think he'll turn out fine if he's given the time. He's only driven 3 races so far anyway. (Funnily enough he attained his best result in his first race in Brazil last year, coming home in 9th, having started 17th)

    Is the brake dust really a problem linked to the wheel caps? I think not, because I've seen plenty of pit stops from the days before these caps were introduced, and the amount of dust given off now doesn't seem to be much bigger than it used to be without the caps.

    Before the dust used to dissipate into the atmosphere and the drivers’ lungs.

    Do you really think so? They are moving at high speeds, even when they're braking. I can't really imagine they ever get anything of it into their lungs.

    Thanks for giving me all that publicity during this show ;-)

    21 and 58 places ahead respectively... :-p

    Cheers,

    Michael

  • Alenyaa, a couple of years back Mika Salo's lungs were opened up and a lot of brake dust was found inside. Sounds pretty nasty. We heard Martin Brundle this weekend saying something like he hoped it was safe to breathe that stuff in. I guess most former and current racing drivers do!

  • good points all of them steven, any idea why the beemers are running so hot and why kubica doesn’t mind telling everyone about it?

    Didn’t Nick Heidfeld have a similar problem with his water in Australia? If I was a BMW driver I’d be asking for the team to come up with a solution pronto, because you don’t want to be driving around in hot places like Australia and Malaysia with no water.

    I think the folks at BMW's engine department got a little bit to cleaver for themselves and got the cylinders too close together in the hunt to make the engine more compact. Nothing new there all engine designers are supposed to do that. But sometimes the suerheated air around the first cyclinder is trapped by the cyclinder next to it and the engine temperature rises like crazy. Let us further more suppose that enough air flows whiel the car is moving to keep the engine within normal operating limits. All of us should know that these F1 engines are effectivity air-cooled, and do not have an intake fan to suck in air while the car is idling. (Thus the air blowers and dry ice that get shoved into the inlets)

    So with an idling BMW egine, an overlooked glitch in the ventation system (the hot exhaust gases can not escape quickly enough) and the driver right in front of the engine, with maybe a small hole for a water bottle off to the side, it is no wonder that the driver's backside, back, and water bottle asre the first to be cooked.

    Aicraft Buffs will remember the same problem with the BMW 139 18-cyclinder rotatary engines for the Focke-Wulf 190's. Darn engines would cook themselves idling on the ground, so it is a nice thing to know that engineers seem to reinvent the same mistakes every 60 years or so... Of course, widing the gap between these cyclinders in the turn the 190 into a clasic airplane that just streamrolled everyone for 8 mouths. Now if this happens again, the "Pole on Pole" jokes are going be really stale by mid-April.

    Jordan.

  • I’ve seen plenty of pit stops from the days before these caps were introduced, and the amount of dust given off now doesn’t seem to be much bigger than it used to be without the caps.

    what about when a car spins heads backwards like massa's did? i don't remember seeing dust exit like that before.

    also, the dust you're describing during stops has been visible at heavy braking circuits (say canada for example). but sepang really isn't one of those tracks.

  • But sometimes the suerheated air around the first cyclinder is trapped by the cyclinder next to it and the engine temperature rises like crazy.

    interesting idea that. and if true, with current engine homologation rules, can they fix it?

  • Its appearance at Sepang indeed is unusual. I'm not really sure what to think of it.

    Maybe drivers should just hold their breath while braking :-p

  • Well, the engine might not be fixable for five years, but if I am correct, I think a few pilot tubes around the cyclinders so that the hot air can escape might work. I think BMW was just caught off-guard with the engine hotter than expected, but if the BMW press people start talking about a new "re-heat" or "afterburner" system for Bahrain, then people should drop BMW like a hot potato...

    Bahrain: Pole on Pole or Quick Nick on Pole? Race Winner: Quick Nick the "Pick of the Day" or Pole the "Ace in the Hole?"

    Jordan

  • Alenyaa said:

    Its appearance at Sepang indeed is unusual. I’m not really sure what to think of it.

    Maybe drivers should just hold their breath while braking :-p

    If F1 drivers are not already holding their breath while braking they deserve to be placed on the test team as they are not going fast enough to be racing drivers by definition!

    Especially now that we have removed the Traction Control System on them.

    Especially on the Micky Mouse tracks of today! Heidfeld been on the old Nurbergring. He knews what it is like to drive on a real track!

    Jordan.

  • don't know why for past few days I can't get the player work ... keeps buffering all the time ... I thought the line in my home suffers from Easter related sickness but now am even in different place behind different computer still all I get is silnece and buffering... have to wait for the transcript :-(

  • So we hope that james allen won't be on the BBC?

  • don’t know why for past few days I can’t get the player work …

    seems okay to me, and we haven't changed anything on that front.

    do you get the same issue with F1 Minute? also can you download the feed via iTunes / any other podcast client?

    last thing to check, is can you see any of our videos (it might a connectivity issue between yourself and the libsyn servers).

  • So we hope that james allen won’t be on the BBC?

    that would be a fair assumption, yep :)

  • If there's a race between Massa and Nakajima to seee which one gets tossed out the door then Massa has won it has down.

    First, let us look at which team has got what to replace the race drivers.

    Williams. ==> Nico Hulkenberg Maybe two seasons of GP2 experience here.

    N Karthikeyan ==> Oh god, no. Nakajima looks quite safefrom Karthikeyan here, plus I am pretty sure that Nakajima brings along with him a Toyota engine contract, which at least allows Nico Rosberg to collect some points, so Nakajima is not a total loss.

    Ferrari. Well, they build everything for their cars, so the driver can not weasal their way into the team that way. As for Ferrari's test drivers, well Luca Badoer, has been in Ferrari as a test driver since 1997, and I guess you have to say, like he was good enough to be a race driver than Mika Salo would not have sub'ed in for Schumacher when Schuie crashed in Silverstone. 48 GP starts with no points sums up Badoer.

    Marc Gene. Better choice here. 36 GP starts and 5 points. Throw him into a decent Williams and he can get some points. Makes you wonder what he can do ina Ferrari.

    And Ferrari does seem to have this Driving consultant floating around. I am pretty sure that by now, Ferrari Management have at the every least slipped the idea that Massa seat is there if he wants it. After all the bugger's won 7 drivers championships and god knows how many race wins.

    Finally, I am quite certain that if Ferrari made an open call, there would be a ton of out of work drivers knocking on the door. I mean, this team was still able to get people like Eddie Irvine, MIka Salo, Rubens barrichello, and Massa to be partnerred up with Schumacher knowning full well that they would be 2nd Drivers.

    Jordan.

  • Nakajima has proven he is good enough for F1 this year, I was impressed with the speed he is showing.

  • have to wait for the transcript

    I'd better get caught up on my transcripts then!!

  • Nakajima has proven he is good enough for F1 this year, I was impressed with the speed he is showing.

    lee, i really like the guy, he seems nice. but aside from a couple of quick laps in brazil last year, i can't think of a single thing that impressed me?

  • I'm late to the party again, I see - sorry, folks, just been too busy to listen to the 'cast until this morning. And good grief, I get mentioned twice! Fame indeed...

    I see you're still listening to Berger on the subject of S***t S***d. For once, hear the other side of the story and read this - that's all I'm saying. Honest. Until you bring up the subject again.

    What I will say, however, is that Vettel and Bourdais need to start finishing races. Berger's love affair with them will only last until he needs someone to blame for the poor reliability of the STR.

  • What I will say, however, is that Vettel and Bourdais need to start finishing races.

    i don't think anyone can blame the melbourne non-finish on bourdais can they? i say his was flippin' hero driving that car like he did.

    also, we did point out on the show that berger was simply defending his decision to bring the guy across the atlantic.

    will go read that article now.

  • For once, hear the other side of the story and read this - that’s all I’m saying.

    okay, read that, didn't learn anything new.

    opinion still stands.

  • If the BMW drivers drinks bottles are massivley overheating I think I would forget about sports drinks etc and just fill them with ice. Water may not be as good as isotonics but it is better than dehydration.

  • Thanks for the mention on the podcast!! :)

    One point on the mirrors - with them close-in the drivers can see movement in them in their peripheral vision whereas having them further out means to see them the drivers actually have to move their heads. Doesn't sound like much of a hardship but during a race I would imagine they will have other things on their To-Do list!

    Obviously having them out wide is good from the aero point of view but I can't imagine moving them back can cause too big a reduction in efficiency.

  • Christine,

    I just want to say that sidepodcast ROCKS...I'm living in the US so as you know, there's not a lot of good coverage of F1 on this side of the pond, but thanks to this podcast, things have changed (Personally, I like it better than the BBC F1 show).

    I hope that your budget can increase so that you can do the show live from the races...

    And by the way, The Chain as the intro song to the show...AWESOME...I think its a keeper....

    Your Mexican Fan,

    Joaquin

  • and Bingo ! the buffering is over, heard the show :-)

    I can second what the guy from Australia said. It was incredibly hot down there Down Under, on Sunday during the race I felt like a shrimp on a BBQ.

    ... and the engines sound so much better without the TC rubbish

  • and Bingo ! the buffering is over, heard the show

    what happened there then? we didn't change anything.

    anyhow, glad all is well.

  • I hope that your budget can increase so that you can do the show live from the races…

    not expensive to do actually. bernie might object to us doing that though. he has *issues* with people recording at races.

    The Chain as the intro song to the show…AWESOME…I think its a keeper….

    ooh, i wish. sadly we'd never get permission from Fleetwood Mac. we can get away with it once, but using it every week would be cheeky.

    i guess we could make our own similar version.

  • not expensive to do actually.

    Hmmm... explain to me which bit of travelling the world and buying tickets to every Grand Prix isn't expensive?

  • Hmmm… explain to me which bit of travelling the world and buying tickets to every Grand Prix isn’t expensive?

    oh, every race? sorry, was thinking, like, a couple a year.

  • Hmmm… explain to me which bit of travelling the world and buying tickets to every Grand Prix isn’t expensive?

    oh, every race? sorry, was thinking, like, a couple a year.

    I think "me" is planning on dragging you to Monaco in mid-May Christine....Did I hear him say Loews Hotel rooftop tickets... and "payback for the joke about the 100th showing of F1 minute"...

    Jordan.

  • Hmmm… explain to me which bit of travelling the world and buying tickets to every Grand Prix isn’t expensive?

    www.clickz.com/sh…html?page=3609351

    Would be fantastic if you guys can make a couple of GP's a year.

    Best of luck!

  • Would be fantastic if you guys can make a couple of GP’s a year.

    hmmm, thinking outside the box. i like that, cheers :)

  • what happened there then? we didn’t change anything.

    I have no idea, all of a sudden after few days all worked :-)

  • If the BMW drivers drinks bottles are massivley overheating I think I would forget about sports drinks etc and just fill them with ice.

    i have just listened to the Renault F1 podcast and they were talking about the fact that Alonso was having trouble with the temperature of his drink too. He was saying it was like hot tea - and that was at the Australian gp. But Renault experimented of FP and Quali with freezing his drink so they ahd it perfect for the race. so it seems like its not just BMW. would be interesting to know if all the teams where having this trouble.

  • would be interesting to know if all the teams where having this trouble.

    so is it a new problem this year then?

    next week's headline: "mclaren standard ECU, it even makes the tea"

  • so is it a new problem this year then?

    i have not heard it mentioned before so i assume so. I have only just started listening to team podcasts this year, but they are great. really insightful. sadly i think it is only renault and williams that do them, but hopefully the other teams will follow soon. i recommemd them if you do not already listen to them.

    next week’s headline: “mclaren standard ECU, it even makes the tea”

    hehe thats funny!

  • sadly i think it is only renault and williams that do them

    oooh, are williams doing them again this year? i thought they gave it up. must check 'em out.

    annoyingly i don't have time to listen to f1 podcasts anymore! we were talking to the guys from formulapod at the weekend, and i had to admit to them, the last show of their's i heard, was sometime around xmas.

    so much stuff, so little time.

  • yep, williams are doing one this year, from what i gather they go under a slightly different name each time - so to seperate the seasons. this year they are called,

    - The AT&T Williams F1 podcast.

    Also interestingly while i was listening to the Renault podcast i could not help noticing that the team attitude was one of defeat. Making jokes about the car etc. you get the impression that they thought they would be higher up the grid this year.

  • Ok, Another idea.

    How about if sidepodcast has like a "competition" to see what can be the official song for sidepodcast...

    Maybe we cannot use the chain, but there are many other songs out there that can become like an anthem for the podcast.

    Joaquin

  • How about if sidepodcast has like a “competition” to see what can be the official song for sidepodcast…

    competitions we can do :)

    sounds like a plan.

  • I might have misheard (the bus today was very noisy) but I thought you said Brundle worked for the BBC. He didn't; he only began commentating in 1997 the year ITV started broadcasting.

  • he didn’t; he only began commentating in 1997 the year ITV started broadcasting.

    fair enough, do apologise. i swear i remember being pleased that martin had agreed to swap channels along with murray, but it must be me age.

  • See I just remember his spectacular crash in the very first Melbourne race!

  • Martin Brundle did do some commentating for the BBC in 1995; he spent over half the races in a Ligier and the other races in the commentary box because he was sharing the drive with Aguri Suzuki and needed something to do during the races when he wasn't driving. So in a sense, both me and Don are right.

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