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An Aside with Joe - Stop whining and deliver the goods // Joe joins us for a feature length show to discuss aerodynamics and more

Published by Mr. C

Joe checks in prior to the German Grand Prix with talk of IndyCar aerodynamics, Tony's plans for more power and deserved penalties for gesticulating drivers. We cover setting the tone of a team and why nobody really wins a manipulated World Championship.

Further discussion ensues with talk of Major League players, F1 survivors and why retaining Timo at Virgin isn't such a bad idea. Joe speculates on the Grand Prix of St Austell, talks old school re-launches and who gave up on their town planning, before we try to find 20,000 paying subscribers for Grand Prix+ magazine.

It's a feature length podcast and the last before two back-to-back races lead into F1's summer holiday. Don't miss out on this episode of Aside with Joe.

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  • sweet

  • please do 'like' and share the love etc. on this one. 20,000 subscribers my be asking a lot, but finding 20 new subscribers for joe would be kinda awesome.

  • please do 'like' and share the love etc. on this one. 20,000 subscribers my be asking a lot, but finding 20 new subscribers for joe would be kinda awesome.

    I've already linked it to Pressdog

  • Mr C the size of the podcast is apparently 0.0MB ;)

  • 20,000 subscribers, what, he thinks he wants more than Murdoch is getting with The Times + Hah!

  • I've already linked it to Pressdog

    appreciated, ta.

    Mr C the size of the podcast is apparently 0.0MB

    done fixed it, cheers.

    20,000 subscribers, what, he thinks he wants more than Murdoch is getting with The Times + Hah!

    you can't have listened to that point in the podcast already, aaron? i think the times+ thing came up in conversation though.

  • Hah.. like like the "St. Austell" tag Mr. C ! I think of Beer, and China Clay pits when i think of St Austell...

  • AN ASIDE WITH JOE!! *squeals and claps like a schoolgirl!*

  • AN ASIDE WITH JOE!! *squeals and claps like a schoolgirl!*

    . o O ( did I say that out loud? )

  • tried to listen on the homepage, podcast ended sometime around the Senna talk ...

  • tried to listen on the homepage, podcast ended sometime around the Senna talk ...

    it's all there chap. does it help if you listen directly?

    sidepodcast.com/e…aside/aside27.mp3

  • tried to listen on the homepage, podcast ended sometime around the Senna talk ...

    it's all there chap. does it help if you listen directly?

    http://sidepod…dia/aside/aside27.mp3

    I am now listening here (the aside post), all OK

  • Great show and lots of topics covered.

    I can't believe Joe compared Alonso to René Arnoux. What an insult. I hope he says that to Alonso some time. I would love to see Alonso's reaction.

  • Great stuff, really interesting, thanks. Joe has earned his holiday :)

  • did I hear Monza ? hmm ... need to know more about that

  • w00t!

    only 24,998 more to go. Gifted GP+ subscriptions to two friends. btw, love the Aside w/ Joe podcasts!

    twitter.com/itsmi…tatus/19013906993

  • w00t! only 24,998 more to go. Gifted GP+ subscriptions to two friends. btw, love the Aside w/ Joe podcasts! http://twitter…in/status/19013906993

    You do know Joe said 20,000 and you added 5,000 later in the conversation. He wanted 20,000 @ $25 each to giive $500,000. You took the 5 from the cost and added it into the number of subscribers

  • You do know Joe said 20,000 and you added 5,000 later in the conversation. He wanted 20,000 @ $25 each to giive $500,000. You took the 5 from the cost and added it into the number of subscribers

    i noticed when i came to write the show notes. ambitious to the last, me.

  • you said it would be short, its more than an hour! boo! (but yay! for more joe time)

  • Is Joe dissin' Cornwall???

    OK, St Austell... but the rest of Cornwall is beautiful!

  • you said it would be short, its more than an hour!

    i swear it was a 50minute conversation. odd.

  • you said it would be short, its more than an hour!

    i swear it was a 50minute conversation. odd.

    sidepodtime.

  • awesome new gp+ subscribers:

    twitter.com/jones…tatus/19078618668

    twitter.com/field…tatus/19067509349

    twitter.com/itsmi…tatus/19013906993

    and a maybe for the future:

    twitter.com/habib…tatus/19014100463

  • Is Joe smoking crack suggesting Redbull not run a piece of kit because they only have one set of it? His justification is the apparent 7/10 qualifying advantage. Does Joe forget the pattern of this season where the redbulls are mighty in qually, yet lose a lot of that advantage in the race?

    Also, and perhaps more importantly, with the lack of testing, why on earth would you voluntarily NOT run a piece of new aero kit to ensure it works as expected.

    Yeah, it was harsh on Webber. But that's motorsport. I find the way he tries to differential Alonso's whining from Webbers to be very poorly justified.

  • Does Joe forget the pattern of this season where the redbulls are mighty in qually, yet lose a lot of that advantage in the race?

    you seem to have forgotten that mark webber won the race, using the old wing. what advantage did he lose?

    Also, and perhaps more importantly, with the lack of testing, why on earth would you voluntarily NOT run a piece of new aero kit to ensure it works as expected.

    every single team this year has run new parts on a friday, that were subsequently taken off the car and not raced until later in year. mclaren's new exhausts last weekend, are but a perfect example.

    Yeah, it was harsh on Webber. But that's motorsport

    i disagree. it may be the way red bull approach motor sport, but i don't believe anyone could argue that it's the norm.

  • Damn was halfway through my retort, when my mac crashed. Musta gripped the keyboard the wrong way :)

    Basically, while yes, Webber won the race, had he had Alonso parked behind him after the first lap rather than Hamilton, the result of the race might have been rather different. While Webber walked this race in the end, we've seen the majority of races where the Redbull has been nip and tuck with either the Ferrari or the McLaren (of Hamilton) in race trim.

    For Joe, with 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say they should have left the wings off the car. In team planning why would you intentionally hinder your car's ultimate performance?

    Other teams try parts on Friday and elect not to run them. But you can be sure that if those parts brought a definite and demonstrable performance update, they will run them on the Sunday.

    It's hardly new either. Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, all the front running teams have had incidents where they only have one part available. In each instance it has gone to the car leading the championship.

    I don't believe Red Bull's approach is so ridiculous. And once the red mist had died down, neither did Mark Webber.

  • In team planning why would you intentionally hinder your car's ultimate performance?

    in this case? because it's fair, because it'll stop your team falling apart at the seams and because after turkey-gate nobody wants to see any more vettel favouritism.

    newey of course takes your approach which is why mclaren are better off (and more reliable) without him.

    It's hardly new either. Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, all the front running teams have had incidents where they only have one part available. In each instance it has gone to the car leading the championship.

    have they ever taken that part from one driver and given it to another just before he goes out for qualifying? webber set his car up in the morning with the new wing and then they nicked it and gave him zero time to respond. when has that ever happened before?

    And once the red mist had died down, neither did Mark Webber.

    and you're sure he made that decision all by himself?

  • have they ever taken that part from one driver and given it to another just before he goes out for qualifying? webber set his car up in the morning with the new wing and then they nicked it and gave him zero time to respond. when has that ever happened before?

    The specific approach is mental at such short notice. But cars often go out with different equipment just because they couldn't make 2 sets in time or there was a problem with one of them.

  • Whatever Red Bull did one of their drivers was going to have to change his set up before quali. THe problem seems to be Webber was under the impression that each driver had been given a new wing that was his as long as he wanted it and the 'management' decided at some point that the new wing would go to Vettel even though his original wing had fallen off and been damaged.

    It's just bad management.

  • But cars often go out with different equipment just because they couldn't make 2 sets in time or there was a problem with one of them.

    fair enough. i don't think anyone can accuse joe of smoking anything to be honest, his is a sensible conclusion after red bull made bonkers decision.

  • It's just bad management.

    very much agreed.

  • A conclusion that brings a competitive disadvantage to your team, is not a 'sensible' conclusion at all though!

    I mean, the 'stop whining and deliver the goods', could be applied as much to Mark Webber as anything else. Which is why I found the whole attempt to differentiate Alonso and Webber really weird.

  • A conclusion that brings a competitive disadvantage to your team, is not a 'sensible' conclusion at all though! I mean, the 'stop whining and deliver the goods', could be applied as much to Mark Webber as anything else. Which is why I found the whole attempt to differentiate Alonso and Webber really weird.

    Respectfully disagree with that point. In principle what Red Bull did was totally wrong and Mark is fully entitled to make sure the world knows the team is against him so that if he looks slower, we all know why...

  • There are many ways to skin a cat. It sometimes seems Mark is from the chainsaw school of thought.

    I don't know, I found the whole response to what happened so overly dramatic when it need not have been.

  • I mean, the 'stop whining and deliver the goods', could be applied as much to Mark Webber as anything else.

    again... mark webber won the race. goods delivered, right to whine earned.

    I don't know, I found the whole response to what happened so overly dramatic when it need not have been.

    if it were an isolated incident i'd agree. coming off of the back of turkey... i'm surprised more fuss hasn't been made to be honest.

    the fia put a "fair play tsar" in the mclaren garage when alonso complained of teammate bias, and i'd argue that red bull are showing more of that than mclaren ever did.

  • Hahah I'd nearly forgot the fair play 'tsar' (what a stupid word). Although we know that was all about Mosley sticking two fingers up at Ron, rather than anything (remotely) to do with 'Fair Play'.

  • Although we know that was all about Mosley sticking two fingers up at Ron, rather than anything (remotely) to do with 'Fair Play'.

    agreed.

  • Hi Mr C and Christine,

    Thanks ever so much for asking my question on the latest Podcast - as ever it was much appreciated.

    I hope you had a great time at the latest 'An Audience with Joe' I couldnt make it this time as I had arranged to meet up with some friends in Milton Keynes whilst I was at Silverstone this year.

    I'm wondering if Joe would do a similar event in London during the off season? A sort of season review with Joe night.

    Keep up the good work Mr C and Christine.

    Kris

  • Thanks ever so much for asking my question on the latest Podcast - as ever it was much appreciated.

    hey kris, glad you caught it.

    I'm wondering if Joe would do a similar event in London during the off season? A sort of season review with Joe night.

    ooh, that might be good. i can suggest it on the next show, but you'd be just as well pinging joe a comment/message on his blog too, all feedback taken on board i'm sure.

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