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Belgium 2011 - The race // Spa has so far lived up to the promise, can the race deliver?

Published by Christine Blachford

Preparations in Spa
Preparations in SpaCredit: Virgin Racing

Yesterday's qualifying sessions were full of intrigue, surprises and thrills. From the early moments of Michael Schumacher's crash, to the very end with a not-so-shocking Vettel pole, we were treated to some weather-induced chaos. Perhaps there will be more on the cards today, as the drivers prepare to race for 44 laps of the Spa-Francorchamps circuit.

The action will begin at 1pm GMT+1 with the Factbyte Factbox starting one hour beforehand to provide all the build up.

Statistics

moderate

Spa-Francorchamps, Sunday

14℃

  • Low 13℃
  • Humidity 88%

Light rain

2010 Session Results
PosDriverTeamTime
1L HamiltonMcLaren1:29:04.268
2M WebberRed Bull+1.5
3R KubicaRenault+3.4
4F MassaFerrari+8.2
5A SutilForce India+9.0

Predictions

I feel positive that we have had conversations like this before, but it is another situation where Michael Schumacher is out of position and has a lot of work to do if he wants to scrape a good result today.

Bel 2011: Where can Michael Schumacher finish from last on the grid?

  • On the podium

    0%
  • In the points

    76%
  • Out of the points

    12%
  • DNF

    12%

17 votes




  • I think Schumacher can make it into the points if he can avoid getting caught up in any first lap incident. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him exiting La Source really wide off the track and gaining 6 or 7 places

  • Ouchio

    :D

    @PhilDuncanF1: Michael Schumacher leading the drivers on pre-race parade. That's the closest he'll get to the front of the pack today #F1

  • Ping --> 2011 Belgian Grand Prix (Rd 12, Qualifying, Aug 27th, TV Notes)

    theformulaoneandm…ug-27th-tv-notes/

  • Afternoon!

  • Actually with this tyre thing that's happened this morning, Massa actually has a half decent chance of winning...

  • I have voted for in the points, I can just see him fighting his way up

  • *waves at fbfb*

  • I have voted for in the points, I can just see him fighting his way up

    Not only that - I think he can beat Rosberg today.

  • *fires up the dashboard*

  • Not only that - I think he can beat Rosberg today.

    He had a really good race at last year too didn't he?

  • It's on

    :)

  • oh now James is in the paddock, thats not as fun

  • He had a really good race at last year too didn't he?

    Yup. Was actually ahead of Rosberg for most of the way.

  • just finished watching quali!

    Surprised to see Pastor is racing today

  • Surprised to see Pastor is racing today

    As are a few I think

  • Surprised to see Pastor is racing today

    Me, not so much. Should've gotten a bigger penalty, though.

  • Nice bit of Supergrass :)

  • Nice bit of Supergrass :)

    Absolutely

  • Well, there's a few quid for Supergrass.

  • Surprised to see Pastor is racing today

    A lot of us are. And some think it was Lewis's fault for not avoiding him

  • What's Eddie's star on his lapel, Schumacher creator of the millennium?

  • And some think it was Lewis's fault for not avoiding him

    Yeah, well... they may need glasses.

  • A lot of us are. And some think it was Lewis's fault for not avoiding him

    Some people were actually saying Lewis was baiting him - which is silly, considering he still had to do Q3.

  • To me it's like causing dangerous situations in the pit lane. You need strong penalties to stampt the behaviour out.

  • Surprised to see Pastor is racing today

    What happened?

  • stamp

  • What happened?

    Did you not see qualifying, mr gavin?

  • What happened?

    Deliberately tried to ram Hamilton at the end of Q2

  • A lot of us are. And some think it was Lewis's fault for not avoiding him

    He could have moved over at least another 15 cm. Hamilton is a menace

  • To me it's like causing dangerous situations in the pit lane. You need strong penalties to stampt the behaviour out.

    To me he should have been banned for the rest of the season. Using a car as a weapon is not acceptable

  • What happened?

    He deliberately chopped Lewis after a Quali run cos Lewis edged him out on the last corner. Damaged front wing

  • He could have moved over at least another 15 cm. Hamilton is a menace

    Why should he have to, they weren't racing back to the pits?

  • Deliberately tried to ram Hamilton at the end of Q2

    Deliberately DID ram him

  • Deliberately tried to ram Hamilton at the end of Q2

    wow

  • Why should he have to, they weren't racing back to the pits?

    That may have been a joke.

  • What happened?

    He got in a minor incident with Lewis, they touched wheels. Then on the slow down lap he appeared to deliberately smash into him as "payback"

  • Deliberately DID ram him

    Well, yes.

  • Why should he have to, they weren't racing back to the pits?

    Sorry, did I forget the sarcasm tags? ;-)

  • Deliberately DID ram him

    Lewis had to compete in Q3 with gaffa tape holding his car together

  • Sorry, did I forget the sarcasm tags? ;-)

    ah got you :)

  • wow

    Lewis overtook him at the last chicane just before the end of Q2 when Pastor left the door wide open. Then after Eau Rouge he had a major temper tantrum and sideswiped Lewis like he was in NASCAR.

  • Lewis had to compete in Q3 with gaffa tape holding his car together

    And got on the front row.

    I'm not the greatest fan of Lewis, but that was pretty darn impressive.

  • Lewis overtook him at the last chicane just before the end of Q2 when Pastor left the door wide open. Then after Eau Rouge he had a major temper tantrum and sideswiped Lewis like he was in NASCAR.

    la source not Eau Rouge ;)

  • Sounds like today's GP2 race was interesting

  • la source not Eau Rouge ;)

    oops

  • Sounds like today's GP2 race was interesting

    Don't worry Lee will be talking to some 7 year olds who are currently racing in a random series instead.

  • today is an awesome day already. gooo Jenson!

  • Sounds like today's GP2 race was interesting

    the GP2 weekend as a whole was interesting - sadly with injuries....

  • Was Schuey's cross-thread wheel confirmed?

  • Schumacher finally admits that he is human SHOCKA

  • Don't worry Lee will be talking to some 7 year olds who are currently racing in a random series instead.

    :)

  • Schumacher finally admits that he is human SHOCKA

    :D

  • Someone give that man cake

  • Schumacher finally admits that he is human SHOCKA

    Human? Who ever said he was human?

  • For anyone who can see the iplayer you can see the incident in a few seconds starting at 1:40:37 of the quali program

    sidepodcast.com/p…8#comment-1161510

  • Was Schuey's cross-thread wheel confirmed?

    The cross-thread's gone out of skew on thredle.

  • The cross-thread's gone out of skew on thredle.

    :lol@

  • The cross-thread's gone out of skew on thredle.

    :lol@

    :lol:

  • Bruuunnnnooo. I'm so proud of bruno!

  • Human? Who ever said he was human?

    certainly not me. I believe he's a cyborg, and the version preceeding the 'vettel' model

  • although Boris Johnson appears to be his PR guy...

  • So far no mention of the blistering tyres on the BBC show...

  • Bruuunnnnooo. I'm so proud of bruno!

    He did a great job

  • Maldonado swiped so hard he ended up sliding across the grass

  • He did a great job

    Very impressive.

  • The cross-thread's gone out of skew on thredle.

    I wasn't sure if people would get this comment, I expected some questions about it... But I didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

  • I really hope Senna's reputation garners some re-evaluation. I think he's better than he's given credit for.

  • Maldonado swiped so hard he ended up sliding across the grass

    "oh, no, it wasn't intentional'

  • I wasn't sure if people would get this comment, I expected some questions about it... But I didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

    I can picture Graham Chapman delivering the line

  • French GP we'll be back in 2013 (Share the race with spa)

    www.f1zone.net/ne…h-gp-return/8494/

  • The cross-thread's gone out of skew on thredle.

    I wasn't sure if people would get this comment, I expected some questions about it... But I didn't expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

    I just Googled it. :D

  • Maldonado swiped so hard he ended up sliding across the grass

    Stewards say it was partly hamiltons fault for being there.

  • So far no mention of the blistering tyres on the BBC show...

    Considering this only became public less than 90 minutes ago, nothing would have been recorded for it.

  • I really hope Senna's reputation garners some re-evaluation. I think he's better than he's given credit for.

    It certainly given me the chance to reset my opinion of him

  • Stewards say it was partly hamiltons fault for being there.

    Well of course!

  • "oh, no, it wasn't intentional'

    Started on the right hand side of the track and ended on the grass on the left despite hitting Lewis in between.

  • Stewards say it was partly hamiltons fault for being there.

    I bet they said it was Lewis' fault for being Lewis Hamilton

  • Jaime!

  • I bet they said it was Lewis' fault for being Lewis Hamilton

    :D

  • I bet they said it was Lewis' fault for being Lewis Hamilton

    Mate, if you'd stayed at home today, no-one could have rammed you off the road...

  • French GP we'll be back in 2013 (Share the race with spa)

    www.f1zone.net/ne…h-gp-return/8494/

    Nooooooooooo! I really need to go to Spa next year then

    #confidential

  • Stewards say it was partly hamiltons fault for being there.

    I bet they said it was Lewis' fault for being Lewis Hamilton

    No doubt he gets the special treatment as a platinum cardholder at the stewards room.

  • It certainly given me the chance to reset my opinion of him

    Me too. I may have "dissed" him a bit on Friday

  • /sarcasm. Maldanado clearly wanted to bumpngrind

  • It certainly given me the chance to reset my opinion of him

    Me too. I may have "dissed" him a bit on Friday

    Am reserving judgement until today. Quali is but one lap.

  • French GP we'll be back in 2013 (Share the race with spa)

    I've seen a lot of places source that from GMM so it's a nothing story for me still

  • French GP we'll be back in 2013 (Share the race with spa)

    BOOOO

  • Have been catching up on this tyre situation with the FBFB thanks FBFB

  • Hymie does well in the rain cos his eyelashes blow the water out of the way

  • #confidential

    it's never too early to plan because if you don't start early, you don't go :D

  • Jaime just seems so happy all the time. All smiles.

  • Am reserving judgement until today. Quali is but one lap.

    Worked for Vettel :)

  • Am reserving judgement until today. Quali is but one lap.

    Well, so far he is doing the job

  • Bruuunnnnooo

    I love how much bruno we get now. he is the next Rubens

  • Hymie does well in the rain cos his eyelashes blow the water out of the way

    hehe

    He does have intense eyes.

  • For Gavin and anyone else who missed qualifying yesterday:

    www.youtube.com/w…tch?v=_0AYDK67Elc

    www.youtube.com/w…tch?v=fO1uPZ6Hsbw

  • Hymie does well in the rain cos his eyelashes blow the water out of the way

    Who has longer eyelashes him or Jarome?

  • I've seen a lot of places source that from GMM so it's a nothing story for me still

    Best go anyway, just in case ;)

  • No doubt he gets the special treatment as a platinum cardholder at the stewards room.

    I bet they've got everything he likes set up on a little table everytie he comes in...

    "I WANTED EVIAN, NOT FIJI WATER!"

  • There is not enough blue on Bruno's cap

  • There is not enough blue on Bruno's cap

    :D

  • There is not enough blue on Bruno's cap

    lol

  • thanks pat

  • I like that FBFB has time to mention that Jaime talks really fast before writing everything that he says.

  • Ted in the background

  • here we go...

  • I like that FBFB has time to mention that Jaime talks really fast before writing everything that he says.

    Mad skills!

  • Ted in the background

    i did wonder if that was him or not.

  • I've seen a lot of places source that from GMM so it's a nothing story for me still

    I read that the source is L"Equipe newspaper.

    translate.google.….html&act=url

  • I like that FBFB has time to mention that Jaime talks really fast before writing everything that he says.

    Are Christine's agent?

  • hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing braces

  • "Difficult moment"?

  • As the track was bending to the right, I think Lewis was following the curve and spotted Pastor and quickly corrected

  • Pastor looks at the camera a lot and it creeps me out

  • Maldonado mumbling something incomprehensible. Well, I believe him!

  • I shalln't lie, I can't understand anythign Pasta says

  • I shalln't lie, I can't understand anythign Pasta says

    Although Whitmarsh is no better :)

  • I read that the source is L"Equipe newspaper.

    It is onL'Equipe's site saying it is official

    www.lequipe.fr/Fo…-bonne-annee.html

  • Pastor: "Well, I'm not gonna lie to you, Ted."

    *silence*

  • Although Whitmarsh is no better :)

    Maybe he wears braces?

  • hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing braces

    Really? Hardly relevant

  • Maybe he wears braces?

    to hold up his trousers

  • hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing braces

    Harsh. Nothing wrong with wanting to sort your teeth out.

  • hard to take a guy seriously when he's wearing braces

    Really? Hardly relevant

    True. what is relevent is that he cannot enunciate when he speaks....

  • I agree with Eddie... (sadly)... If it's after the checkered flag then it's much worse

  • True. what is relevent is that he cannot enunciate when he speaks....

    How's you Spanish? I know mine's pretty poor

  • Cheese

  • That slow mo then at Monaco was crazy, the amount of rubber flying off the tyres!

  • How's you Spanish? I know mine's pretty poor

    que?

    It's horrible. But I don't have to give interviews in spanish as part of my gazillion dollar racing contract, lol

  • I agree with Eddie... (sadly)... If it's after the checkered flag then it's much worse

    Yes and no. It means it is slower speed so the consequences of the accident at potentially less.

  • It's horrible. But I don't have to give interviews in spanish as part of my gazillion dollar racing contract, lol

    Well... let's be fair - you're not required rto speak English. It just helps

  • Yes and no. It means it is slower speed so the consequences of the accident at potentially less

    True, but it also removes any and all reason to be fighting for the same space on the track

  • Yes and no. It means it is slower speed so the consequences of the accident at potentially less.

    What I mean is that there is no way to have an excuse if it's after the flag

  • Loved that Alonso shot there :)

  • Loved that Alonso shot there :)

    With the musical cue

  • What I mean is that there is no way to have an excuse if it's after the flag

    But Alex free wheeling back to the pits was a "difficult moment" apparently.

  • Loved that Alonso shot there :)

    "Um.." ALONSO FACE DRAMATIC MUSIC

  • With the musical cue

    Epic :D

  • What I mean is that there is no way to have an excuse if it's after the flag

    Especially when you have a big wide track. He could have just driven around the mclaren. But he didn't

  • I've predicted Hamilton to win. Cue humble pie, later

  • But Alex free wheeling back to the pits was a "difficult moment" apparently.

    Ah yes, sorry I forgot :)

  • Don't hear much Schubert in F1

  • Is HAM's car still held together by gaffer tape?

  • What I mean is that there is no way to have an excuse if it's after the flag

    Agreed. However it is hard to say if it is worse to do it out of stupidity at slow speed or to do it to gain advantage at speed a la Senna or Schumacher

  • Agreed. However it is hard to say if it is worse to do it out of stupidity at slow speed or to do it to gain advantage at speed a la Senna or Schumacher

    Totally agree

  • Totally agree

    Actually I realise what I meant was that the excuse for getting the penalty wrong is worse if it's after the chequered flag

  • its hard not to be annoyed by that smirk and finger combo

  • Agreed. However it is hard to say if it is worse to do it out of stupidity at slow speed or to do it to gain advantage at speed a la Senna or Schumacher

    At least they did it as racers. I always prefer that

  • I reckon the director's been watching a Milos Forman film.

  • I reckon the director's been watching a Milos Forman film.

    *da daaaa*

  • At least they did it as racers. I always prefer that

    I can't say I prefer one to the other. Senna taking Prost out at 160-180mph can hardly be describe as preferable

  • I reckon the director's been watching a Milos Forman film.

    He was obviously rocked by it

  • Quick question about the F1 Timing app with the map in it ... If I select the race now will it automaticaly switch to live when it starts? I have purchased the data...

  • He was obviously rocked by it

    The musical cues were straight out of there.

  • hmm, will schumi finish in the points? think i'm voting... yes.

  • Quick question about the F1 Timing app with the map in it ... If I select the race now will it automaticaly switch to live when it starts? I have purchased the data...

    You'll get a pop up when it goes live asking if you want to switch to it

  • Major movie pictures influenced musical selection... Amadeus earlier, Goodfellas now

  • You'll get a pop up when it goes live asking if you want to switch to it

    thanks

  • hmm, will schumi finish in the points? think i'm voting... yes.

    I voted DNF because I'm really not a nice person :D

  • I voted DNF because I'm really not a nice person :D

    Snap :)

  • Sllowwmmooo raiinnn

  • I voted DNF because I'm really not a nice person :D

    Boo! Was this because I wasn't nice to Heikki? :P

  • hmm, will schumi finish in the points? think i'm voting... yes.

    I've voted int the points

  • Woah!

  • I voted DNF because I'm really not a nice person :D

    I voted points but commented that it was conditional on him surviving a first lap DNF

  • ...in the points. By lap 12.

  • So what do we think will happen when Lewis laps Pastor?

  • I voted points but commented that it was conditional on him surviving a first lap DNF

    Ha ha, good point

  • So what do we think will happen when Lewis laps Pastor?

    Lewis will get a penalty for provocation

  • Sutil looks angry with his glass of wine..

  • 1st race I've watched live at home all season. I've forgotten how it works :P

  • Having a ber!

  • So what do we think will happen when Lewis laps Pastor?

    He'll get evils, at least

  • Sutil looks angry with his glass of wine..

    he he :)

  • Lewis will get a penalty for provocation

    :)

  • mmmm I made a Belgiun Trippel yesterday after qualifying. Thick dark beer smells so good when it's cooking

  • I miss the old Bus Stop

  • beeeeeefcake

  • I miss the old Bus Stop

    Same

  • Brundle's car had Schumacher's name on it. Says everything about Benetton

  • No new tyres for the teams.

    www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94070

  • I thought we were gonna get a Rocky montage there :)

  • Same

    +2, they go the wrong way now

  • You hit the wrong part of him my friend!

  • speaking of poor driving:

    axisofoversteer.b…mbarrassment.html

  • hahaha

  • Ninja warrior style :lol:

  • DC the ninja warrior of style

  • You hit the wrong part of him my friend!

    I loved that ♥

  • Schumachers words are just empty.

  • Vyborg Rocket http://t.co/WirI5CA

    (from @OfficialLRGP)

    :)

  • i'm hoping Vettel gets a piece of Spa karma today...

  • i'm hoping Vettel gets a piece of Spa karma today...

    sparma?

  • Schumachers words are just empty.

    Totally and completely.

    It is only a year ago since he did what he did to Rubens

  • i'm hoping Vettel gets a piece of Spa karma today...

    Karma for what?

  • YOU want to be treated fair?!

    grrrrr. sorry but that man annoys me after how he's treated others alongside him.

  • Sorry Eddie, but you're wrong there.

  • I keep losing the stream.

  • He understands we don't like him. I hate that!

  • Schumachers words are just empty.

    I'm telling you he's a cyborg. He's been pre-programmed with over a half million sentience fragments...

  • I loved the shot of Flav getting his inspiration "he just parked it!!"

  • Karma for what?

    Spa 2010 :)

  • Karma for what?

    Taking Jenson out last year

  • Spa 2010 :)

    aha!

  • YOU want to be treated fair?!

    I think he meant he wanted to be treated to a trip to the fair

  • Gridwalk talk

  • Gridwalk talk

    good blog that :)

  • Did ?DC's t-shirt come with some classic Schumi cowboyboots?

  • I loved the shot of Flav getting his inspiration "he just parked it!!"

    I laughed so much when that happened. Flav accusing Schumacher of cheating.

  • Gridwalk talk

    I meant to say time but out of habit it works out as a nice blog plug

  • Taking Jenson out last year

    i could have had a JB podium on my first race.. Vettel denied me of that. grrrr

  • I laughed so much when that happened. Flav accusing Schumacher of cheating.

    a pot and kettle interface problem

  • aha!

    not that i hold a grudge..

  • smiley JB :)

  • I hate that EJ takes the credit for Schumi, when it was Peter Sauber who paid for his drive in that Jordan.

  • How does JB hear him with those ears in?

  • Senna, Rubens and Jenson were the first three retirees last year so it's only fair they all have really good races today.

  • Why is brundle always suprised how many people are on the grid?

  • a pot and kettle interface problem

    Flav's team had run Schumacher in bent cars and Flav was always the one who defended him like when he rammed Hill in Adelaide

  • I hate that EJ takes the credit for Schumi, when it was Peter Sauber who paid for his drive in that Jordan.

    EJ invented Schumacher, but Sauber invented EJ

  • Ferrari, upset?! Surely you jest Martin :)

  • I hate that EJ takes the credit for Schumi, when it was Peter Sauber who paid for his drive in that Jordan.

    I thought it was Haug's predecessor?

  • Camera man looked like he'd lost Martin for a sec

  • Ferrari, upset?! Surely you jest Martin :)

    I thought Ferrari had not run too much camber?

  • the BBC could really do with explaining the blistering issue.

  • I thought it was Haug's predecessor?

    Nope - t'was indeed Mr Sauber

  • I like Petrov's smirk about the rain :)

  • Sounded like Martin thought they might have covered it already

  • I thought Ferrari had not run too much camber?

    I think they were upset at Red Bull trying to get fresh tyres.

  • Awww.

  • Yay Vitaly. :)

  • It will rain.

  • I thought Ferrari had not run too much camber?

    They hadn't - that's why they were upset

  • I thought it was Haug's predecessor?

    Sauber paid for it. Of course Merc were paying Sauber a fortune in sportscars

  • Very nice bit from Petrov, awww

  • Awww.

    #ranking for being lovely?

  • Rubens!! :)

  • Hehehehe!! aww. Poor rubens.

  • hehehe

    Rubens wants to save Martin a walk and do better next time.

  • Hehehehe!! aww. Poor rubens.

    'you don't come to interview me any more.' :)

  • oh SNAP!

    " you don't come interview me anymore, maybe it's a long walk for you"

    Rubino just got +15 in my book

  • Least he's still smiley and lovely despite that car

  • Oh dear. Grumpy Fernando is back.

  • Clapton and Eddie

  • ooohhh Russell Batchelor!

  • Is that Spanish for no?

  • Eric Clapton!

    (on the grid for free today)

  • (on the grid for free today)

    :D

  • Oh dear. Grumpy Fernando is back.

    It's supposed to be dark and dramatic. Where's the soundtrack?

  • Is that Spanish for no?

    I think he was just zoned out.

  • he he

  • just been asked to switch over on the timing app :)

  • I love that Clapton says he hates rain.

  • (on the grid for free today)

    :D

  • Is Mr C really Eric Clapton??

    It would fit....MR.. C!

  • Eric - please get off the telly

  • Guys I love your coverage :D it's much better than our commentators :D Since i joined sidepodcast and I didn't focus anymore on what he said :D

  • I love that Clapton says he hates rain.

    he's at Spa!

  • wooo! Nat Pinkham!

  • He's explaining!

  • No epic intros here, so I'll just add one myself.

    www.youtube.com/w…tch?v=dEWHAbuFU1c

  • he's at Spa!

    That is odd

  • Ted spying on Ferrari :)

  • Don't mind it when they interview celebs that actually know what they talk about.

  • I voted DNF because I'm really not a nice person :D

    LIAR! I voted the same :)

  • I like that the FIA are sticking to their guns this time - am interesting race ahead

  • Webba in deep conversation

  • Don't mind it when they interview celebs that actually know what they talk about.

    And play air guitar on the grid :)

  • Who were the journos?

  • Don't mind it when they interview celebs that actually know what they talk about.

    But what about Geri Halliwell who, with her interview in monaco, we know she is a big fan of whoever is first!

  • Don't mind it when they interview celebs that actually know what they talk about.

    Agreed. When they interview someone who doesn't know which team they are a guest of and the name of the driver they are supposed to be supporting it is a different matter but Clapton is a proper fan

  • he he Jake

  • I like that the FIA are sticking to their guns this time - am interesting race ahead

    its the teams fault, go past what Pirelli tell them and it'll hurt.

  • Agreed. When they interview someone who doesn't know which team they are a guest of and the name of the driver they are supposed to be supporting it is a different matter but Clapton is a proper fan

    I think Leo Sayer was the last other one

  • Rightio, I'm going on a food run.

  • uh oh - those tyres

  • I think Leo Sayer was the last other one

    He has even driven an F1 car. A McLaren in the 80s I think

  • Woah gangster arm action from Vettel there....

  • Right folks,

    I'm off to watch the race - back later on.

  • ooh i dont like Vettel's aggressive behaviour. Not cool

  • oh wow happy seb!

  • if only Ringo Starr was on the grid with clapton - I've got blisters on me tyres!

    Of course, this is all down to Mr C and his unfortunate Ringo accident he's not there.

  • there's that finger again. I told you it was evil

  • oooh cross Seb

  • is that paulhembery with vettel?

  • oh wow happy seb!

    you jinxed it :D

  • he's well in his face

  • Great camera work.

  • is that paulhembery with vettel?

    Nope. Mario. Whoever Mario is

  • So aggressive. Ridiculously unprofessional.

  • oooh cross Seb

    now that was interesting. morning all.

  • you jinxed it :D

    i was being sarcastic :)

  • Great camera work.

    indeed. Love that.

  • Nope. Mario. Whoever Mario is

    mario mario

  • pirelli guy is telling Vettel "Hey, we made those tires like 3 weeks ago, if you blistered the how are you gonna blame me?"

  • Nope. Mario. Whoever Mario is

    Luigis brother, he may also be super or a dr

  • i was being sarcastic :)

    I think I have forgotten what happy seb is like that it went completely over my head

  • whats going on with the tyres? I've only caught snippets of something about blistering and camber angles

  • whats going on with the tyres? I've only caught snippets of something about blistering and camber angles

    that about sums it up...

  • whats going on with the tyres? I've only caught snippets of something about blistering and camber angles

    the camber is set up for wet tyres, and is too severe for dry Pirellis, but they aren't allowed to change it back, so the tyres will take a poundin'

  • echoes of Indy 05

  • whats going on with the tyres? I've only caught snippets of something about blistering and camber angles

    Red Bull and ferrari are unhappy and had a strop, and everyone else laughed at them.

  • Hey everyone. Had Irene move through my area overnight.

    So who here had Belgian waffles for breakfast this morning? For me, it's CInnabon cereal, toast and coffee as the race is a few minutes from the start.

  • whats going on with the tyres? I've only caught snippets of something about blistering and camber angles

    Some teams have run more camber angle that Pirelli specify and have blistered tyres. Now they want to be allowed to change the camber and have new tyres. Shockingly for once the FIA made a good decision and told them to sod off

  • Nope. Mario. Whoever Mario is

    Super Mario?

  • So who here had Belgian waffles for breakfast this morning? For me, it's CInnabon cereal, toast and coffee as the race is a few minutes from the start.

    I made a belgiun style beer yesterday after quali. won't be ready for a few weeks but smelled delicious

  • Shockingly for once the FIA made a good decision

    Never thought I'd see you write that ;) But yes agreed.

  • So who here had Belgian waffles for breakfast this morning? For me, it's CInnabon cereal, toast and coffee as the race is a few minutes from the start.

    i have some for later.. :)

  • Red Bull and ferrari are unhappy and had a strop, and everyone else laughed at them.

    I don't think so... I think Red Bull had a strop, and Ferrari laughed at them. They were unhappy that Red Bull might be about to get their way

  • It would be nice to see Webber make a good start for a change today

  • Some teams have run more camber angle that Pirelli specify and have blistered tyres. Now they want to be allowed to change the camber and have new tyres. Shockingly for once the FIA made a good decision and told them to sod off

    ah, thats why they were saying it only affecting the front of the grid as they are the only one to run on drys in qualy

  • o00o0o0o lee going all 007-style dark raincoat

  • Never thought I'd see you write that ;) But yes agreed.

    Neither did I

  • It would be nice to see Webber make a good start for a change today

    Don't think so though. He'll bottom out.

  • Ah great. About to start my usual race ritual here:

    1. Post to Twitter.

    2. Run to TV.

    3. Watch.

    4. Run to PC.

    5. Post to Twitter.

    6. Repeat.

  • i have some for later.. :)

    Enjoy. :)

  • haha, EJ: "watch out for Alonso. I won't say he'll win - just watch out"

  • EJ predicts Alonso to win

  • LH for the win. evnetually I'll get it right

  • EJ predicts Alonso to win

    After the race he will be saying that things are not working out for Alonso at Ferrari

  • As is traditional, predictions of the first spinner?

  • As is traditional, predictions of the first spinner?

    Maldonado

  • As is traditional, predictions of the first spinner?

    I think first corner multiple accident

  • As is traditional, predictions of the first spinner?

    Petrov today

  • I think first corner multiple accident

    I miss those

  • waiting for 5live comms on virgin tv.. *prays it appears*

  • Maldonado

    But it was Lewis's fault

  • Maldonado

    oh yes, red mist part 2 or 3 or whatever.

  • FBFB says "a Pirelli chap" So I think the guy must be called Mario Chap

  • waiting for 5live comms on virgin tv.. *prays it appears*

    It's usually on 2 or 3 minutes before 1

  • I think first corner multiple accident

    We have a few fast cars near the back so it could happen

  • #FBFB

    I don't think Schumacher could get a podium from pole never mind last

  • Ahh I do hope those French GP rumours are nonsense. How can you not have Spa?

  • I don't think Schumacher could get a podium from pole never mind last

    he he :)

  • Ahh I do hope those French GP rumours are nonsense. How can you not have Spa?

    ask 2006?

  • ooh helicopter shot of a helicopter! #inception

  • ooh helicopter shot of a helicopter! #inception

    I thought it might have been a crane shot of a helicopter

  • Ahh I do hope those French GP rumours are nonsense. How can you not have Spa?

    L'Équipe the French national daily sports newspaper says it will be made official today by Bernie. They are usually right. Alternating Spa with Paul Ricard is horrific

  • *kicks virgin media* you usually have 5 live by now!

  • I am excited for this race...

    I reckon Vettel will scamper away and then pit early.

  • Dream team!

  • ooh helicopter shot of a helicopter! #inception

    you've assumed there. Maybe it was one of those remote control drones....

  • I reckon Vettel will scamper away and then pit early.

    and then Spa karma will STRIKE!

  • 5 Live is go on Virgin! Woohoo!

  • and then Spa karma will STRIKE!

    he he :)

  • *kicks virgin media* you usually have 5 live by now!

    on the hour...

  • wohoo hiii crofty!

  • I have the F1 Championship Edition video game for the PS3. Sadly, Spa was not on the list of tracks to race on thanks to the schedule for 2006. :(

  • I reckon Vettel will scamper away and then pit early.

    I like the challenge of keeping track of who's on which pit strategy

  • and then Spa karma will STRIKE!

    I like your thinking :)

  • I thought it might have been a crane shot of a helicopter

    I remember a great shot from the crane-cam at the end of Kemmel. It had the cam-copter flying "crabbed" along the straight, at what seemed below the crane cam height.

  • L'Équipe the French national daily sports newspaper says it will be made official today by Bernie. They are usually right. Alternating Spa with Paul Ricard is horrific

    There needs to be a French GP.. just not there

  • Jenson and Schumi on Hards

  • Despite the radio Martin thinks he's right

  • There needs to be a French GP.. just not there

    I would be happy to have an annual French GP just not at the new Ricard as an alternative to SPa

  • The rain has started coming down!

    ...in Newport!

  • ...in Newport!

    :)

  • spa-fracorchamps baby! yeah!!!!

    (sorry, I might be a bit over-excited...)

  • JB on medium tyres

  • Martin was right

  • ...in Newport!

    Which corner number is that?

  • Which corner number is that?

    Well there is a bus stop in Newport

  • The rain has started coming down!

    ...in Newport!

    We have had rain an sun all day - it's intermediates in Copenhagen right now ;)

  • Well there is a bus stop in Newport

    :-)

  • I always forget Liuzzi is still racing F1.

  • First race with Crofty commentating for me in a while...

  • I always forget Liuzzi is still racing F1.

    So does everyone else

    Except Joe

  • SO happy I get to see the start!

    #Iloveelectricity

  • DC says technically the 2 stopper is the fastest, but thinks most of the front runners will do 3

  • Brief panicy moment realising I had washing out. Damn spa weather.

    Here. we. go!!!

  • what is smoking??

  • I always forget Liuzzi is still racing F1.

    Well, I wouldn't call it racing. Circulating maybe

  • Rosberg?

  • Rosberg has a really skinny rear wing

  • Rosberg smoking..

  • Who's smoking on the left? Rosberg

  • ooh was that senna

  • Noooooooooo Bruno takes out everyone

  • I was sadyl right about webber

  • Rosberg 2nd, wtf!

  • Rosberg smoking..

    into 2nd... wow that's some tactic!

  • Rosberg's smoke makde him go fast

  • ROSBERG!!!!

  • Massa all over Lewis

  • Rosberg ahead of Vettel

  • ROSBERG LEADS?!?!?! waaahhhh??

  • Rosberg smoke must have been a rocket. lol

  • Rosberg on Jungle Juice or something?

  • Maybe the smoke was to hide a jump start?

  • Rosberg has a really skinny rear wing

    Like I said

  • ROSBERG LEADS?!?!?! waaahhhh??

    well said!

  • Bruno is 14th :(

  • Maybe the smoke was to hide a jump start?

    genius

  • Tim is broken too..

  • Like I said

    I see

  • Terrible terrible terrible start for Webber. At least he didn't crash out.

  • Maybe the smoke was to hide a jump start?

    LOL.

  • Rosberg's cunning "smoke-screen escape" is straight out the Wacky Races handbook.

  • well said!

    less than a minute ago i thought his race was over......

  • No Jaime!!! :(

  • Schumi 14th!

  • Maybe the smoke was to hide a jump start?

    or like a bull ready to charge? grrrrr, then GO.

    hehe

  • Lewis very slow

  • Alonso gets Lewis

  • Oh my word....

  • Bruunnnooo :(

  • Senna gets new nose and options

  • Senna Glock and Heikki pit

  • of course he had contact at the first corner, he barrelled into everyone :D

  • The picture looks wrong. there's a car in front of Vettel. obviously he's coming up to lap him right?

  • those who did well in quali have gone backwards

  • Martin said he thinks the two lotuses hit each other

  • of course he had contact at the first corner, he barrelled into everyone :D

    I think he got his line wrong :)

  • Do NOT show start replays while all this is happening

  • Tim retired

  • did dc just say alger-squary?

  • The picture looks wrong. there's a car in front of Vettel. obviously he's coming up to lap him right?

    I kn ow Schumi was last but he's being overlapped after 2 laps, madness

  • come on JB.. p11 next.

  • I just realised that forgot to turn live timing on

  • sparks

  • I really want Rosberg to win this now.

  • Noooo vettel

  • Vettel coming back

  • I really want Rosberg to win this now.

    i shouldn't have said anything.

  • I really want Rosberg to win this now.

    Never going to happen

  • But wait Vettel can't overtake right

  • Poor Ant, he's not even sure what's happening :)

  • that is one of the worse starts ever from Webber

  • Why are we watching start replays????????????????????

  • that is one of the worse starts ever from Webber

    Rubens-esque

  • that is one of the worse starts ever from Webber

    Has a lot of competition....

  • Martin thinks t was Bruno's fault at the start

  • that is one of the worse starts ever from Webber

    he must have seen i said he'd waste pole but forgot he wasn't on pole

  • What was Bruno doing there??!

    'Lo everyone BTW *waves*

  • Oh my god, bruno!

  • didn't the FIA said last year that driver shouldn't cut the first corner? Alonso just did that...

  • Why are we watching start replays????????????????????

    Because we never really get overtakes for the start

  • Ted says Jenson needs a new wing

  • Trulli hit Heikki!!!

  • Martin thinks t was Bruno's fault at the start

    It was I think.

  • Red Bull in

  • Webber pits

  • that is one of the worse starts ever from Webber

    so car or driver problem?

  • Wing and tyre change for Jenson?

  • Webber pitted

  • Alonso trying to take Massa

  • Massa has DRS from Rosberg

  • didn't the FIA said last year that driver shouldn't cut the first corner? Alonso just did that...

    jaime crashed into him, it's not like he could do anything else...

  • Webber pitted

    might as well. nothing else to do when you lose that much

  • ohhh Renault... still think it was a good idea to put Bruno in the car...

    and seriously?? JB! :(

  • oh here we go... massa alonso

  • Trulli hit Heikki!!!

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • JB how are you going to win from 15?

  • Spa rocks!

  • Saubers are doing really well!!

  • Crofty on the BBC!

  • didn't the FIA said last year that driver shouldn't cut the first corner? Alonso just did that...

    Avoiding an accident. Not the same as Kimi going that way on purpose imo.

  • Ted says Red Bull pitted for the tyres with Webber, so it's true that they are haivng big trouble

  • Goo Massa!

  • Good defensive driving from Nico

  • Vettel radio Mark has pitted, marks seem to have stabalised on the slow corners

  • Vettel worried about his tyres

  • Vettel radio Mark has pitted, marks seem to have stabalised on the slow corners

    the marks on the tyres

  • Alonso going for it

  • Oh my god!!

  • too deep

  • Lewis almos took him

  • Lewis must be loving this!!

  • OH MY GOD!

  • Wow!

  • "Brundle and Coulthard are wittering again. Just fade Crothy over the top of them".

  • go lewis

  • wow racing

  • yes yes yes two ferarri'scoming into one...

  • Massa driving backwards

  • Wow.

  • Love mass a for that

  • Cracking!

  • hehehe Crofty 'massa thinks.. damn can we do this lap again!' :)

  • Massa really squeezed Lewis

  • Nice!

  • Massa mugging time.

  • i have goose bumps! love this racing!

  • Vettel pits

  • Vettel pits

  • Softs for Vettel

  • hmmmsoft tires...

  • Webber FL

  • Webber has Mediums

  • Broken rear wing

  • Buemi has rear wing damange.

  • Buemi's wing is hanging off?!

  • Buemi has rear wing damange.

    and i can't spell.

  • Buemi

  • Toro Rosso's car design is extreme to say the least

  • Webber has Mediums

    THey have the information from Webber's tyres now

  • Senna and Glock incident being looked at by stewards.

  • and i can't spell.

    I thought it was French

  • Over/Under on # of pit stops for the winning driver? I have it it 3.5.

  • 9 and 24 cars under investigation

  • Black and orange flag for Buemi

  • Senna and Glock

  • Buemi has rear wing damage.

    You say that, but it's probably made the car quicker.

  • bruno gets a drive through for driving into everyone

  • 9 and 24 cars under investigation

    Short investigation! Drive through 9

  • Senna and Glock get a drive through.

    ... poor Nick would have had a better race ;)

  • 9 and 24 cars under investigation

    drive thorugh for 9 - bad senna

  • Drive through for Bruo and Glock

  • DTP for Bruno.

  • gooo Alonso!

  • ... poor Nick would have had a better race ;)

    My hug has caused all kinds of trouble!

  • gooo Alonso!

    gosh i'm fickle today.

  • ... poor Nick would have had a better race ;)

    Has Heidfeld ever had a drivethrough?

  • go fernando go! :)

  • Alonso makes it stick

  • The Ferrari is mighty through Eau Rouge and Radillon

  • Buemi serving his penalty

  • Alonso is MIGHTY through Eau Rouge and Rivage today.

  • Alonso had huge speed through Eau Rouge

  • The Ferrari is mighty through Eau Rouge and Radillon

    Not in Massa's hands.

  • Lewis looking like he wants to move on Rosberg

  • Massa looks like he's losing rear grip.

  • JB has a looonnnnggg stint ahead.

  • Lewis has blisters

  • Sparks from the Mercedes!

  • Weaving surely from Rosberg.

  • Buemi pits.

  • Vettel fastest lap

  • Yellow flag again

  • yellows again.

  • Gosh it's awfully easy with DRS after Eau Rouge...

  • Lewis doesn't seem to mind the blisters that much

  • Massa now on Rosberg

  • Vettel overtaking people again...

  • I don't like to see drivers passing that easily on the outside

  • Gosh it's awfully easy with DRS after Eau Rouge...

    They're not exiting a slow corner beforehand

  • FBFB good tweet from Karun...

  • Alonso pits

  • Alonso pits

  • Vettel is absolutely flying!

  • Crofty says 3 stops for ferrari now.

  • Fastest lap from Vettel

  • Ferrari keen to make sure they don't get stuck behind Rosberg again.

  • Wow!!

  • Yikes that was so close

  • WOW Webber!

  • Woooooo webber

  • Respect to MW!

  • I thought that was going to be an enormous accident

  • Alonso saved them then

  • lets watch this, maybe from behind a pillow :D

  • Was it Kimi that did that a few years ago. Proper racing!

  • lets watch this, maybe from behind a pillow :D

    I had my eyes shut

  • A little bit crazy from Webber.

  • buemi retired

  • here we go

  • Wow that was scary

  • I had my eyes shut

    And that never happens

  • Sutil!

  • Hello random Force India :D

  • look at the back camber of that rbr...

  • What on earth is goping on there...

  • And that never happens

    it was really really dangerous and close

  • Jeeeez! :D

  • Webber is MIGHTY! If only he got decent starts!

  • Alonso just has him covered

  • two for the price of one :)

  • This really feels like Alonso's day

  • Massa pitted somewhere in there

  • This really feels like Alonso's day

    Yep

  • ooh my FBFB just suddenly caught up

  • What is the point in Webber taking a huge risk to get the position only to hold the door open on the next lap?

  • Eah, this is a great candidate to do every other year

  • vettel alreafy at the back of rosberg

  • *gasp*

  • Around the outside, woah

  • and now in front

  • Front Left for Vettel blisters

  • Vettel round the outside!!

  • Seb'#s new tyres are blistering already?!

  • Lewis pits

  • Vettel needs a plaster for his blisters

  • Remember folks, these are highly trained professionals. Do not try this at home. ;)

  • Front Left for Vettel blisters

    Silly parc ferme rules!

  • I do believe I just saw Vettel overtake without crashing!

  • TED NEWS - Rosberg smoke on the start was breaks

  • We should be racing here every other race, not every other year...

  • Seb'#s new tyres are blistering already?!

    Doesn't sound a happy bunny

  • *gasp*

    sorry, that took forever to post. That was for Webber before, but it may work at other times in the race, so I'll do that occasionally. :)

  • This really feels like Alonso's day

    Best get the orchestra ready.

  • We should be racing here every other race, not every other year...

    At least

  • Vettel in the lead again.

  • I do believe I just saw Vettel overtake without crashing!

    A number of overtakes... And even overtakes on the outside

  • two in a row again for alonso

  • Seb'#s new tyres are blistering already?!

    well if the car is set up slightly differently, then insides will make more contact with the ground....right?

  • sorry, that took forever to post. That was for Webber before, but it may work at other times in the race, so I'll do that occasionally. :)

    :)

  • We should be racing here every other race, not every other year...

    Forget a spec car series, let's just have a 1 track series!

  • Hehehe at Jonathon Ross..

    I am watching the formula one on tv. I find it a little frightening. I might record it then watch it back at half speed.

  • Forget a spec car series, let's just have a 1 track series!

    sounds good. :)

  • well if the car is set up slightly differently, then insides will make more contact with the ground....right?

    More camber = more load on the inside edge

  • Rosberg pits

  • Fastest lap from Alonso

  • LOL Lukeh. :D

  • Softs for Rosberg

  • So slow out the stop Rosberg. Surely he's messed himself up there.

  • I can't believe I was actually there last year!

  • I want that photographers spot...I bet he needed new underpants after Webber and Alonso though...

  • Softs for Rosberg

    I like that the position for him was constantly updated as he came out of the pit lane. very tour de france...

  • Martin ignoring his own rule, "always be on the right tyres"

  • I want that photographers spot...I bet he needed new underpants after Webber and Alonso though...

    me too :(

  • Niiiiice from Lewis

  • webber is in good position having used the hards if it doesn't rain (yah, keep dreaming...)

  • JB's 0.4 behind Herr Chin - gotta DRS him soon.

  • Poor Toro Rosso... not a good day :(

  • There's Alger squarey.

  • Tim unhappy still wearing his helmet

  • I want that photographers spot...I bet he needed new underpants after Webber and Alonso though...

    There and at Monza going into the Parabolica. ;)

  • OHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • no no no

  • Woah!

  • Sweet Lord.

  • pants

  • All the good qualifiers, Senna and both Torro Rosso's have disasterous races.

  • WHOAAAAAAAA!

  • that's a shame

  • OOOOOOOO!!!

  • ias he conscious????

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • pants

    oh when i look away for a storm update...

  • what happened? (comercial)

  • D'OH! LEWIS!

  • Spa karma!... for something...hope hes okay...

  • Lewis moving slowly...

  • NOOO

  • that took him a scary amount of time to move

  • Safety car

  • Winded?

  • Woah! Hamilton cut in front too soon?

  • He's not doing a lot of moving

  • what happened? (comercial)

    just got the feed back.

    HAM out

  • is lewis okay? okay he's moving now

  • Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

  • Looks like he's winded.

  • I think he must be winded

  • sc

  • Good for JB. *innocent face*

  • Weird.

  • That was Lewis' fault, he went back onto the racing line with Kamui still there

  • There was a camera man running away there

  • That was Lewis' fault, he went back onto the racing line with Kamui still there

    thats a scary crash.

  • That was Lewis' fault, he went back onto the racing line with Kamui still there

    Although he should get 5 reprimands definitely from the stewards ;)

  • Lewis' fault- didn't use his mirrors.

  • jb pits.

  • everyone in the pits

  • Woah! Hamilton cut in front too soon?

    The pass was made, Lewis had the line, Kob was on the outside

  • That was Lewis' fault, he went back onto the racing line with Kamui still there

    Thought it was Kamui's fault at first, but after the replay, I'd agree.

  • bbc: ham overtakes koby then ham thinks he shifted out to normal racing line, but kobi was still there.

  • everyone in the pits

    not alonso or webber

  • That was Lewis' fault, he went back onto the racing line with Kamui still there

    Why was Kamui there? He was not gaining and never going to make the pass

  • Although he should get 5 reprimands definitely from the stewards ;)

    Nah he'l get banned for that, knowing what's happened this year ;)

  • I think DC might have it right, Kamui turned in a bit early considering that there wasn't a point to overtake

  • bbc: ham overtakes koby then ham thinks he shifted out to normal racing line, but kobi was still there.

    The move was totally done. Then Sauber tried to go back round the outside?

  • Lewis' fault- didn't use his mirrors.

    To look out for a guy on the ouside?

  • Why was Kamui there? He was not gaining and never going to make the pass

    So he shouldn't give it a go?

  • Why was Kamui there? He was not gaining and never going to make the pass

    So he shouldn't give it a go?

    Indeed - Lewis should've given him room anyway.

  • Poor Allianz

  • Racing incident perhaps, or Kobayashi's fault. Not Hamilton's.

  • Kobi does turn in I think...

  • So he shouldn't give it a go?

    If he has half a chance at a pass yes. But they were way beyond the point where a pass was remotely possible

  • Indeed - Lewis should've given him room anyway.

    He was in front!

  • hamilton could apply his 'freakin **** drivers to himself'...

  • If he has half a chance at a pass yes. But they were way beyond the point where a pass was remotely possible

    This is what happens when two drivers like that try and pass each other.

  • Racing incident perhaps, or Kobayashi's fault. Not Hamilton's.

    Racing incident for me. Kamui put himself and his car at risk for no gain

  • in most seasons, #1 driver gets the first garage. for next year, hamilton should get the number that puts him next to the stewards...

  • I think I could hear HAM say "What is he doing"?

  • TED says Lewis was just frustrated which is why he didn't get out

  • Indeed - Lewis should've given him room anyway.

    I think that is the 2011 season slogan 'Lewis, give everyone room all the time every time'

  • Racing incident perhaps, or Kobayashi's fault. Not Hamilton's.

    50/50 - Hamilton did squeeze him a bit from what that that looked like.

  • He was in front!

    One rule for Lewis another for everyone else.

  • Racing driver is out, nooo

  • Kobi turns in - but has DC says, he was never going around the outside and was just going to lose more time by doing it - should have cut in, stayed close and carried more speed through the chicane.

  • Racing incident for me. Kamui put himself and his car at risk for no gain

    Racing incident for me.

  • Racing incident for me. Kamui put himself and his car at risk for no gain

    Agreed

  • only on lap 15 - vettel is on his third set of tyres

  • Racing incident for me. Kamui put himself and his car at risk for no gain

    I think it was probably more Kamui's fault than anything else, but I'll go for racing incident.

  • Ham seems to have a very magnetic personality. Or car. :(

    He got his bell rung on that one, looked like. I didn't like that he wasn't moving at all at first. Scary.

  • only on lap 15 - vettel is on his third set of tyres

    Good point

  • He got his bell rung on that one, looked like. I didn't like that he wasn't moving at all at first. Scary.

    I was about to comment that he wasn't moving when he did

  • He got his bell rung on that one, looked like. I didn't like that he wasn't moving at all at first. Scary.

    Yeah I didn't like that at first, just sitting there motionless.

  • Alonso my favourite for the win today

  • only on lap 15 - vettel is on his third set of tyres

    So's Button. And the safety car closed them up. Another win from a bad position?

  • I don't think Bruno is going to win today

  • Schumacher one position away from the points

  • Are we going to see Webber have to move over for Vettel? "Remember that contract we got you to sign"

  • come on JB.. P13 at the restart, same as your original starting position... make it worth while!

  • come on JB

  • Sky looks very blue, that must mean rain soon :)

  • enjoy the sun, it may not last ;-)

  • Alonso my favourite for the win today

    Hmm not sure after last year!

  • oooooh rubens in the points!! 1 point, yess!!!

  • is it noon yet? Oh, that was Edinburgh. :)

  • What happened to Buemi?

  • is it noon yet? Oh, that was Edinburgh. :)

    Bassano - sun = rain. :)

    #quotefail

  • is it noon yet? Oh, that was Edinburgh. :)

    ??

  • What happened to Buemi?

    Retired quite a while ago now

  • is this good for Allianz (exposure) or bad (advert destroyed)

  • Bassano - sun = rain. :)

    I got it :)

  • What happened to Buemi?

    Rear wing damage

  • Did Bruno knock Tim off?

  • Any precipitation on the Spa weather radar yet?

  • Safety car in this lap

  • Spa need Burb to get the cars off the track :D

  • Did Bruno knock Tim off?

    Yes, 1st corner

  • Spa need Burb to get the cars off the track :D

    You want your car moved? €5.50!

  • very close between cars there

  • You want your car moved? €5.50!

    :D

  • yellows?? what?

  • Vettel going for Webber...

  • Thought Webber was allowing Seb past then...

  • wohooo! go JB!

  • Jenson past Rubens!

  • Good restart from Alonso

  • yellows?? what?

    I saw this!

  • You want your car moved? €5.50!

    I wonder if inflation has made it €6 this year

  • Move it Fernando!!

  • WOW! Webber not so much leaving the barn door open as shooting the hinges off and hanging some bunting out.

  • I wonder if inflation has made it €6 this year

    The economic instability will surely have affected the value of munters

  • I wonder if inflation has made it €6 this year

    Are the Munters smaller?

  • WOW! Webber not so much leaving the barn door open as shooting the hinges off and hanging some bunting out.

    Always the way.

  • The economic instability will surely have affected the value of munters

    I was hoping to one day go back and cash it in for 100 euro.

  • I wonder if Bruno has his cell phone camcorder on hand as he's racing. :D Remember the demo run he did earlier in the year at the World Sewries by Renault event?

  • Oooooh jenson!!!!

  • i can't watch! Petrov just be nice.

  • I thought he was going to have a Rubens moment then...

  • YES Buttski!

  • WOHOOOO!!! 2 overtakes!!

  • WOW Jenson!

  • Well done Jenson

  • Yeah Button!!!

  • No way!!!

  • boo

  • Vettel can't overtake though so that didn't happen

  • This race is excellent.

  • Vettel in overtaking a good car SHOCKA!

  • Nice two, JB...

  • Aweosme stuff from Jenson though :)

  • Good move from Vettel

  • dont worry everyone, in a few laps Vettel will have to change his tyres again..

  • Nooo we dont need to know about forest v west ham!

  • What about that drag race between VET and ALO?

  • This race is excellent.

    i'm sure the tv director is the only one not enjoying this - too much work to do!

  • dont worry everyone, in a few laps Vettel will have to change his tyres again..

    :D

  • Mr C, You're going to have to move to hexadecimal race ranking!

  • Vettel in overtaking a good car SHOCKA!

    And it would have happened without DRS, too. He had him at the top of Eau Rouge.

  • Schumacher is in 7th

  • I cant decide who i like least, Vettel or Alonso.

    Im gonna back vettel, after alonso's rudeness on the grid

  • Mr C, You're going to have to move to hexadecimal race ranking!

    9.99 recurring

  • VET = 1'52.281

  • Goooooooo Rubens!!!!!

  • It's just all going on

  • Schumacher is in 7th

    i just hope JB can overtake when he gets closer..

  • Alonso not in DRS range

  • Good move from Vettel

    alonso keep the position right up to les combes, ferrari power + better kers = rbr drs

  • I'm so happy he didnt crash into him for once :D

  • Oh no, Perez is back through!

  • Fastest S1 from Schumacher

  • 9.99 recurring

    I think he will say10.3 and Christine will beat him up

  • My FBFB has paused again :(

  • Andrea Stella gets more italian each race

  • Alonso radio not a disaster from the strategy

  • Andrea Stella gets more italian each race

    :) Mamma Mia

  • My FBFB has paused again :(

    pausing?

  • Fastest S1 from Schumacher

    Fastest Lap from Vettel

  • Andrea Stella gets more italian each race

    I hear he's gonna be in the next Dolmio ad

  • pausing?

    Yeah the last update is from 13:34...

    This happened earlier and then suddenly I got a whole load of updates in one go

  • Alonso radio not a disaster from the strategy

    Vettel will need new tyres in 3 laps again

  • Come on Rubens, lets get this Sauber!

    maldonado, no so much.

  • Someone needs to tell Vettel that driving this quickly WILL lead you to munching your tyres. Again.

  • Vettel will need new tyres in 3 laps again

    Vettel has to go to Hards next, but Alonso has both

  • go on Jenson, another 2 overtakes please.

  • Yeah the last update is from 13:34...

    hmm, all good here. browser?

  • Someone needs to tell Vettel that driving this quickly WILL lead you to munching your tyres. Again.

    Or not, keep it quiet I say :)

  • Come on JB!!

  • Has there been an investigation announced for the Hamilton/Kobayashi crash?

  • Alonso radio not a disaster from the strategy

    that sounded like 'we are going to a stop less than them'

  • :) Shumi strikes again.

  • hmm, all good here. browser?

    Chrome on the mac

  • here we go, into DRS zone...

  • Chrome on the mac

    Oh this time I just got the new update 14:45 and nothing in between

  • Has there been an investigation announced for the Hamilton/Kobayashi crash?

    I am sure they will penaliseHamilton soon enough ;)

  • Has there been an investigation announced for the Hamilton/Kobayashi crash?

    Nothing yet

  • Jenson couldn't get close... intriguing.

  • come on Jenson!!!

  • Well. Didn't expect MSC to hold him off there.

  • No further accident on lewis crash.

  • Chrome on the mac

    Firefox on VIsta hee

  • Jenson couldn't get close... intriguing.

    Mercs have really skinny rear wings

  • Are Mercedes still suffering with tyre wear? They don't seem as bad as RBR

  • No further action for HAM incident

  • Well. Didn't expect MSC to hold him off there.

    I thought JB was going to munch him like a cake

  • Has there been an investigation announced for the Hamilton/Kobayashi crash?

    Speak of the devil. Brundle just said "no further action"

  • Chrome on the mac

    same here. all is good. i can't reboot the server right now. apologies :(

  • No further accident on lewis crash.

    accident?

  • Tony F

    Jarno has overtaken bruno senna of renault. That's history.

  • Jenson couldn't get close... intriguing.

    Great top speed from Merc today

  • Lewis sounds down. Says he was ahead of 'whoever he was racing'

  • YAY JENSON!

  • Speak of the devil. Brundle just said "no further action"

    Flipping disgrace. Hadn't they said every event of contact would be investigated this season?

  • Jb!

  • Car 17 penalty

  • BooM!

  • Jenson couldn't get close... intriguing.

    Mercs have really skinny rear wings

    That didn't help Nico, and Schumi does get passed.

  • No ivestigation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    All collisions have to be investigated. It's the rules

  • Penalty for Perez

  • Perez gets a penalty for being ahead of Rubens

  • Vettel has to go to Hards next, but Alonso has both

    TED is reading my comments just confirmed this

  • All collisions have to be investigated. It's the rules

    rules shmules

  • Perez gets a penalty for being ahead of Rubens

    Fair enough. He should know better

  • same here. all is good. i can't reboot the server right now. apologies :(

    No panic... I've taken a screen grab will post it later

  • my commentators said perez was being penalised for his collision with lewis. Bah.

  • Fair enough. He should know better

    I concur.

  • my commentators said perez was being penalised for his collision with lewis. Bah.

    Quality broadcasting :D

  • No panic... I've taken a screen grab will post it later

    can ya try another browser? firefox?

  • my commentators said perez was being penalised for his collision with lewis. Bah.

    #fail

  • Oooooh Sutil...

  • Jenson is kicking asphalt today! Awesome

  • All collisions have to be investigated. It's the rules

    Maybe the graphics guy just hasn't published it. Did they show Perez was under investigation?

    Maybe they want to speak to Hamilton, for old time's sake

  • Fair enough. He should know better

    You think you'd learn after the 43 years rubens has been racing

  • can ya try another browser? firefox?

    I can but it's working again now... I'll switch if it stops again

  • come on Jenson, just over half distance!

  • GO JENSON!

  • Quality broadcasting :D

    they only have to talk for about 10 seconds pre and post each adbreak and they still manage to screw up.

  • Maybe the graphics guy just hasn't published it. Did they show Perez was under investigation?

    Brundle said on the commentary that it's been announced there's no further action.

  • You think you'd learn after the 43 years rubens has been racing

    and he's had 300+ chances

  • Lewis interview - Not sure what happened, hit the wall pretty hard.

  • good stuff :)

  • Lewis is not a happy bean.

  • Have vettel's tyres gone yet?

  • Thought Sutil was going to hit him there...

  • Brundle said on the commentary that it's been announced there's no further action.

    Just got that, thanks

  • Missing Vettel radio due to Lewis interview and Alonso radio too

  • Lewis interview - Not sure what happened, hit the wall pretty hard.

    does he not remember? he didn't even know the name of the guy. he sounds very quiet today. maybe being restrained?

  • grr

  • i knew it, Vettel to pit for new tyres soon.

  • vettel is eating his tyres...

  • blister on VET's LF. Pitting

  • i knew it, Vettel to pit for new tyres soon.

    what did the radio say?

  • Vettel sounded Finnish there...

  • come on JB, eat that Ferrari!

  • Hahahaha Lee asked him if "no action" was the right decision and there was just a long pause :D

  • what did the radio say?

    And what did Alonso say please :)

  • Lee: Lewis, we've just heard the stewards are taking no further action - is that the right decision

    *Lewis walks off*

  • BUT is 2.4s a lap faster than MAS

  • Ah, aus commentators listed to Amy and apologized

  • And what did Alonso say please :)

    2! 2! 2!

  • 2! 2! 2!

    Ok... hmmm

  • JB missing the right mirror

  • I s that drops on the camera of button?

  • On 5 live Gutierrez playing for Newcastle, no wonder Sauber brought in De La Rosa at Canada if he's doing things on a Sunday

  • I love the football guy on 5 Live today! Keeps referencing F1 :)

  • 2! 2! 2!

    What?

  • JB missing the right mirror

    Good spot

  • I s that drops on the camera of button?

    Was thinking the same.

  • Nice

  • WOHOOOOOOO!!

  • Well done Jenson

  • AMAZING JB

  • JB gets Massa! Nice :D

  • Woo!

  • I think DC just applauded

  • Jb on it today

  • Ah, aus commentators listed to Amy and apologized

    amy success!

  • Ant: That was Jenson Button-esque :D

  • JB you absolute legend!

  • TM: Hey guys, I'm here with Emily watching a cracking race and cursing adverts! We're together watching F1! :D

  • I think DC just applauded

    He did!

  • come on JB.. go for Rosberg! go go go!

  • Jb on it today

    Tom Carnegie would probably agree with you. ;)

  • Speed viewers seriously at a disadvantage this year with so much on track action. They've missed the last 2-3 minutes of racing! STILL in ads.

  • TM: Hey guys, I'm here with Emily watching a cracking race and cursing adverts! We're together watching F1! :D

    Keeping your head down in case it gets windy

  • Podium for Jenson, anyone?

  • vettel already on alonso's times, with much newer tyres

  • Can I just say - none of the top 5 have ever won an F1 race at Spa.

  • TED NEWS - Alonso we're starting to go off with his tyres (that's what phase 2 is)

  • Good point there from Brundle - MS and JB have already got the hard tyres out of the way here. Both looking good towards the end here...

  • Podium for Jenson, anyone?

    if you jinx him....

  • TED NEWS - Ted thinks 3 stops for Alonso and 4 stops for Vettel

  • Jenson all over Nico now!

  • TM: Hey guys, I'm here with Emily watching a cracking race and cursing adverts! We're together watching F1! :D

    yay! You got through the hurricane ok?

  • JB's flying

  • TED NEWS - Front left for Vettel starting to go offf

  • Good point there from Brundle - MS and JB have already got the hard tyres out of the way here. Both looking good towards the end here...

    also webber

  • Speed viewers seriously at a disadvantage this year with so much on track action. They've missed the last 2-3 minutes of racing! STILL in ads.

    is it live or "australian delay" which meant it starts near live but for an ad break they'd come back from the ads and resume where you left off.

  • Keeping your head down in case it gets windy

    TM: It were not so bad where we are, if you look at NC we're in the middle of the state. It has now passed.

  • if you jinx him....

    I didn't say nothing!

  • ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! <3

  • it's like Button is in a different formula

  • jenson is awesome.

  • That Journeyer stat has Kimi written all over it

  • P4!!! P4!!!!

  • TED NEWS - Ted thinks 3 stops for Alonso and 4 stops for Vettel

    TED with his Over/Under picks. ;)

  • jenson is awesome.

    i've been saying this for years!! :) *saves comment*

  • is it live or "australian delay" which meant it starts near live but for an ad break they'd come back from the ads and resume where you left off.

    no, the race keeps running while ads are on and they'll do little highlights 'what you missed while we were away'.

  • jenson is awesome.

    He really is

  • I think that Lewis got quite a knock to the head and thinks he's in another season.

  • no, the race keeps running while ads are on and they'll do little highlights 'what you missed while we were away'.

    boo...

  • See, crofty is saying it too!

  • jenson is awesome.

    He really is

    That was DRS & KERS. Too easy

  • no, the race keeps running while ads are on and they'll do little highlights 'what you missed while we were away'.

    Same here.

  • Right. If it stays dry - could we see JB on for another win today?

  • DC says Jenson actually held back to make the most of the DRS zone? Is that what he was saying?

  • Right. If it stays dry - could we see JB on for another win today?

    DON'T JINX HIM! :)

  • That was DRS & KERS. Too easy

    He passes at the bus stop weren't

  • DC says Jenson actually held back to make the most of the DRS zone? Is that what he was saying?

    Yes

  • boo...

    Surely pausing would be more annoying.... You'd be all out of sync if you wanted to comment or use timing or whatever.

  • Right. If it stays dry - could we see JB on for another win today?

    if it stays dry is webber's

  • no, the race keeps running while ads are on and they'll do little highlights 'what you missed while we were away'.

    Here they do millions of ads before and after the race but none during it

  • That was DRS & KERS. Too easy

    JB's performance is not only down to DRS + KERS...

  • Same here.

    I have the stream, but that's really crap today bc of the weather, I assume.

  • DON'T JINX HIM! :)

    Sorry Lou. I won't!

  • DC says Jenson actually held back to make the most of the DRS zone? Is that what he was saying?

    Or rather so he didn't overtake him before getting into the DRS zone

  • TM: q re: Hamilton, was he knocked out in that crash?

  • Sorry Lou. I won't!

    :) thank you :)

  • How is maldonado ahead of rubens?! Thats so unfair.

  • TM: q re: Hamilton, was he knocked out in that crash?

    No, just winded.

  • TM: q re: Hamilton, was he knocked out in that crash?

    Don't think so. He would have been hauled off to the medical centre if he had been

  • How is maldonado ahead of rubens?! Thats so unfair.

    he has no on-board for the stewards to know and penalize him ;-)

  • JB's performance is not only down to DRS + KERS...

    Was talking of that pass

  • In the last 15 minutes on Betfair BiUT has dropped from 28-1 to 7-1...

  • Yellow

  • he has no on-board for the stewards to know and penalize him ;-)

    ooh the swine!

  • Perez off in S2, back on.

  • Was talking of that pass

    ohhhh. fair dos :)

  • Right, so Webber's on the hard tyre and lapping about 0.3 seconds per lap slower that the (used) and blistered softs. This could be interesting as he'll be on the softs towards the end of this race too.

    I love F1.

  • Ooops Perez

  • Perez looks like a broken suspension says Martin

  • I love F1.

    God I've missed this over the summer :D

  • Perez looks like a broken suspension says Martin

    5 Live says loose wheel

  • JB just took a second off the gap to webber!

  • Perez retures

  • Right, so Webber's on the hard tyre and lapping about 0.3 seconds per lap slower that the (used) and blistered softs. This could be interesting as he'll be on the softs towards the end of this race too.

    He has softs left?

  • JB just took a second off the gap to webber!

    ooh

  • Peter Sauber wondering if he'll ever get to retire..

  • Looks like Perez has retried

  • Looks like Perez has retried

    or retired, he aint trying anything.

  • Maybe button is getting an advantage from that damaged rear wing :P

  • Maybe button is getting an advantage from that damaged rear wing :P

    Could be@

  • Could be@

    or rather Could be!

  • see Mclaren, if you just take a bit more care and get behind JB a bit more in quali and not bring him in early imagine where he would be now! ;)

  • Button took a second out of Webber in S1 there.

  • Key phase coming up

  • Button took a second out of Webber in S1 there.

    *S2 sorry.

  • what does Button have to do in pitstops? One more?

  • Alonso is not going to pit again

  • what does Button have to do in pitstops? One more?

    I would imagine so

  • what does Button have to do in pitstops? One more?

    doesn't have to pit again if he doesn't need to.

  • I just realised we finally had a race with actual first corner crashes

  • Ohh nooo EJ on 5 live...

  • what does Button have to do in pitstops? One more?

    he needs one more

  • Alonso now can go both ways on strategy, depending on if the earlier hards guys go faster he can switch back - Vettel can't

  • doesn't have to pit again if he doesn't need to.

    i mean he's covered both tyre types. i imagine 1 stop but he could push them if they aren't too bad..

  • doesn't have to pit again if he doesn't need to.

    Do you think he will stop then?

  • Alonso makes up a full second in the middle sector.

  • EJ: "The tyres are exactly what happened this morning"

    ...work that one out

  • Vettel is covering Alonso?

  • i mean he's covered both tyre types. i imagine 1 stop but he could push them if they aren't too bad..

    those tyres won't hold till the end

  • Vettel forced to pit in response to Ferrari

  • I can't imagine not watching this live next year. BBC better make it one of their 3 1st choices

  • Jenson ahead of Vettel too.

  • Mediums for VET

  • Steve Matchett just highlighted de-lamination on the right Button's rear wing.

  • Vettel forced to pit in response to Ferrari

    Cos that always ends well

  • Poor exit for Massa

  • Poor exit for Massa

    he's learnt from webber ;/

  • Rosberg all over Rubens

  • I can't imagine not watching this live next year. BBC better make it one of their 3 1st choices

    +1

  • Cos that always ends well

    He'll be alright. 14 laps to the end is easily doable.

  • live timing app says Button is ahead of Webber?

  • I hate seeing that Williams struggling for pace so much. :(

  • alonso is already flying on the mediums

  • live timing app says Button is ahead of Webber?

    f1.com says he's behind.

  • Go away football man, team radio!

  • live timing app says Button is ahead of Webber?

    Webber in pit

  • live timing app says Button is ahead of Webber?

    webber pits.

  • f1.com says he's behind.

    Webber's pit so he'a ahead now

  • Hards for Webber

  • JB leads!!! ferrari thinks JB may stay out on these tyres.

  • live timing app says Button is ahead of Webber?

    f1.com says he's behind.

    Yeah sorry - the app is all confused!

  • Noooo Vettel

  • That's fr the lead

  • ferrari: button may go to the end but he'll be very ambitious to do that

  • Yeah sorry - the app is all confused!

    If in doubt, go to landscape and watch the live GPS

  • 1'51.844 for ALO

  • i don't care if it's because of pit stops, JB started 13th and got to 1st.. that's impressive. :)

  • But of course Vettel can't overtake I'll shut up now

  • Button's been mugged.

  • If in doubt, go to landscape and watch the live GPS

    That's what's cpnfused!

  • i don't care if it's because of pit stops, JB started 13th and got to 1st.. that's impressive. :)

    And dropped to 20th because he needed a new nose ;)

  • Mclaren out for JB.

  • ferrari: button may go to the end but he'll be very ambitious to do that

    for some reason i read the first two words as fearne cotton o_O

  • b utton pits

  • And dropped to 20th because he needed a new nose ;)

    unreal

  • JB on the option.

  • JB on the option.

    This is GAME ON

  • Vettel FL 1.51.0

  • And dropped to 20th because he needed a new nose ;)

    He is So super good at reading the mad races

  • And dropped to 20th because he needed a new nose ;)

    yep. he dropped to last in canada too <3

  • He is So super good at reading the mad races

    The Professor Part 2

  • Massa in again?

  • Massa stops again?? didn't he just stop

  • There was a photographer asleep at Eau Rouge, leaning on the wall!

  • Massa stops again?? didn't he just stop

    Yeah. Odd.

  • Massa in again?

    weird. but yes that's him after two laps?

  • So vote - call it now...

    Who will win?

  • There was a photographer asleep at Eau Rouge, leaning on the wall!

    hope his boss didn't see him. :)

  • He is So super good at reading the mad races

    he's super clever. i still remember that hungary timing disaster when he was memorising everyones lap times and trying to work out positions. :)

  • DC says Massa had a puncture

  • weird. but yes that's him after two laps?

    Puncture

  • Massa stops again?? didn't he just stop

    Puncture

  • There was a photographer asleep at Eau Rouge, leaning on the wall!

    Perhaps he went partying at the campsite until 5am ;)

  • Who will win?

    Alonso

  • Puncture

    ]that's the word from bbc.

  • webber crushing everyone's laptimes on the softs

  • There was a photographer asleep at Eau Rouge, leaning on the wall!

    if i knew who he was i'd write to getty/LAT etc and say if i was there i wouldn't be asleep :)

  • Who will win?

    Alonso

  • Who will win?

    Vettel.

  • Who will win?

    webber

  • Vettel 6.5 seconds ahead of Button

  • come on Spa Karma!!...

  • Perhaps he went partying at the campsite until 5am ;)

    He needs some Curry Würst

  • Argh, damn it. What have I missed since lap 4?

  • Webber goes 1.49.8

  • 1'49.883 for Webber

  • (i like how we agree on the predictions...)

  • if i knew who he was i'd write to getty/LAT etc and say if i was there i wouldn't be asleep :)

    Wearing black, he a had a shaved head

  • Argh, damn it. What have I missed since lap 4?

    Not much

  • Argh, damn it. What have I missed since lap 4?

    where to start?!

  • Who will win?

    Anyone but Vettel please!

  • Argh, damn it. What have I missed since lap 4?

    Loads

  • Argh, damn it. What have I missed since lap 4?

    Umm...

  • Wearing black, he a had a shaved head

    i may be a stalker of f1 togs but i don't know what they wear! :) hehe

  • Schumi up to 6th

  • Schumacher passes Sutil!

  • come on Rubens

  • 24th to 6th Not bad for an old man.

  • Who will win?

    Alonso

  • come on Jenson. push those tyres!

  • I have to say that we often compalain about bad race directors... This one seems to have been quite good... They even seemed to pick the race start repeat when actually nothing happend.

  • JB and Webber are 1 second up in S2 and about 0.3 in S3 - I think the win is out, but Alonso's a target.

  • Vettel has got it

  • Webber putting in some good times

  • Alonso losing time hand over fist on these tyres.

  • Speed actually taking the time NOW to show the Austin Red Bull demo!!

  • 24th to 6th Not bad for an old man.

    and he's going to pass rosberg in a few laps

  • Speed actually taking the time NOW to show the Austin Red Bull demo!!

    in the middle of the race?!

  • Speed actually taking the time NOW to show the Austin Red Bull demo!!

    Pathetically bad

  • I have to say that we often compalain about bad race directors... This one seems to have been quite good... They even seemed to pick the race start repeat when actually nothing happend.

    I guess it's a race director that's used to stuff happening rather than directors at rubbish race tracks surprised by DRS

  • Speed actually taking the time NOW to show the Austin Red Bull demo!!

    Methinks Sebastian sould have been doing the laps at Austin. Sebastian Loeb or Ogier, that is... ;)

  • Speed actually taking the time NOW to show the Austin Red Bull demo!!

    Crazy

  • Aww, Crofty Jnr predicted Schumi or Trulli to win :)

  • Yes Alonso now looks to be in some trouble

  • Do we need a bit of rain to spice up the end of the race?

  • Methinks Sebastian sould have been doing the laps at Austin. Sebastian Loeb or Ogier, that is... ;)

    :) Never seen an F1 car so dirty. It was freaking me out.

  • I have to say that we often compalain about bad race directors... This one seems to have been quite good... They even seemed to pick the race start repeat when actually nothing happend.

    They must have dumped the clown who covered quali

  • webber has so much more straight line speed than the ferrari

  • Yes Alonso now looks to be in some trouble

    Yeah, these Tyres have killed his chances

  • I have to say that we often compalain about bad race directors... This one seems to have been quite good... They even seemed to pick the race start repeat when actually nothing happend.

    he must have had to get to Indy for later.

  • :) Never seen an F1 car so dirty. It was freaking me out.

    Korea last year was bizarre because the track was so muddy. All the cars seems to be drenched in soggy mud!

  • They must have dumped the clown who covered quali

    Yes that was rubbish... They were showing the Belgian driver rather than the important final laps

  • if Webber didn't have such bad starts (i.e. Marko fiddling with the CPU) then who knows how well his season would have gone

  • Webber has Anando

  • Ant is confused... bless him.

  • if Webber didn't have such bad starts (i.e. Marko fiddling with the CPU) then who knows how well his season would have gone

    The Webber Lament is what I call that.

  • The Ferrari really doesn't like the medium tyres.

  • How long before WEB asks the team to tell VET to move over?!

    ;-)

  • if Webber didn't have such bad starts (i.e. Marko fiddling with the CPU) then who knows how well his season would have gone

    Webber needs to sort his starts out for himself... It's tough without testing time though

  • If Vettel pits again, it could be a close finish. Otherwise, we'll see the finger

  • Vettel, Webber is faster than you....

  • if Webber didn't have such bad starts (i.e. Marko fiddling with the CPU) then who knows how well his season would have gone

    do we know it's a driver issue? i mean it does look that way.

  • The Ferrari really doesn't like the medium tyres.

    Can't heat them

  • The Webber Lament is what I call that.

    The man does seem to like to come from down the grid, though. Responds to the challenge.

  • D'Ambrosio pits.

  • Front left of the Renault covered in brake dust because, DC says, a gamble on smaller break ducts

  • if Webber didn't have such bad starts (i.e. Marko fiddling with the CPU) then who knows how well his season would have gone

    Ohhh, so that's who was fiddling with Rubens' car for the last 20 years too

  • can JB take Webber by the end of the race, if he manages his tyres?

  • Webber needs to sort his starts out for himself... It's tough without testing time though

    yes. I'll let him know. :)

  • Rosberg radio - Martin says, "Michael's coming to get you"

  • Mercedes fight! Wooo

  • can JB take Webber by the end of the race, if he manages his tyres?

    Alonso, maybe.. Webber.. not so sure.

  • Rosberg radio - Martin says, "Michael's coming to get you"

    *cue imperial march*

  • TED: I don't think you'll see overtaking for red bull.

  • What a gorgeous shot and a gorgeous track.

  • *cue imperial march*

    :D

  • Ant is confused... bless him.

    Martin and David sound a bit bored now

  • Martin and David sound a bit bored now

    oh..? wow what more do they want?

  • Martin and David sound a bit bored now

    Yes they need a bit of a pep up

  • *cue imperial march*

    I thought Vettel had adopted that theme tune.

  • What a gorgeous shot and a gorgeous track.

    so when F1 said they'd go green, this is what they meant?

  • Rob!

  • If Vettel pits again, it could be a close finish. Otherwise, we'll see the finger

    Ignore that, my timing app is having issues.

    C'mon Mark, catch him at the end, you're owed one

  • Yes they need a bit of a pep up

    where is the rain when is needed?

  • oh..? wow what more do they want?

    Well they've been all exicited, and now it's a bit slower they've gone a bit slower

  • Here we go Schumi...

  • oh..? wow what more do they want?

    I think they expected the close racing to last all race

  • so when F1 said they'd go green, this is what they meant?

    the forest in the middle of the track is quite nice!

  • Ah yes Schumacher is on softs

  • Crofty managing to use Old trafford as a metaphor for Schumi. Impressive.

  • JB 3.8 secs away from Alonso.. i wonder if he can catch him.

  • oh..? wow what more do they want?

    they're not fit enough to last the whole race.

    kinda like when they were drivers.

  • Martin and David sound a bit bored now

    Bored and/or exhausted!

  • the forest in the middle of the track is quite nice!

    Walking through the forest with the sound of cars flying past is absolutelu surreal.

  • Button radio - Yellow G1

  • Hoping for Webber to team up with Will Power for the ROC. If Australia beats Germany, Webber will assign Power the job of giving Vettel the finger. :D

  • 'yellow G 1, let's get alonso!' <3

  • Button radio - Yellow G1

    Like a G6?

  • Schumi HAS to use his magic paddle to pass Rosberg.

  • Bored and/or exhausted!

    More the second than the former... Maybe they need some branded energy drink?

  • 2.6! ahhh podium JB podium!!

  • Rubens is being caught up by Senna. jeez.

  • where to start?!

    Tell me everything.

  • Tell me everything.

    This will help: http://sidepodcast.com/factbytefactbox

  • Tell me everything.

    FBFB does that. :)

  • where to start?!

    See FBFB. ;)

  • Save fuel for Rosberg, deary me...

  • All we need now is a good dose of rain and this race will have had everything.

  • rosberg has to save fuel, let shumi pass

  • Really Mercedes?

  • Save fuel for Rosberg, deary me...

    Crofty picked that up instantly too. Stupid mercedes.

  • Nico's response: "Sod that!"

  • gap between JB and Alo now 1.5!!!

  • Really Mercedes?

    yep. Do they tell us in the stewards reports of how much fuel is left over?

  • *sighs* :(

  • Rubens getting close there

  • Rubens. :|

  • Nico's response: "Sod that!"

    don't forget the radio was a few laps ago. it might be "make it look convincing"

  • Rubens getting close there

    contact. rubens goes straight into pit lane

  • Really Mercedes?

    Michael has raced for longer than you

  • 0.7!!

  • Michael has raced for longer than you

    :)

  • Jense only 0.7 secoonds behind Alonso.

  • sauber have given koby a tank.

  • Jenson gets the ferrari.

  • Button takes Alonso

  • OH MY GOD!

  • debris in the braking area of the bus stop

  • Go JB!

  • Button takes Alonso

    Easy peasy.

  • PODIUM!!!!

  • yay jenson

  • Yay jb!

  • OH MY GOD!

    Seriously impressive

  • *dances*

  • This will help: http://sidepodcast.com/factbytefactbox

    Oh right, I forgot. My bad. :P

  • Seriously impressive

    just... <3 <3

  • Well done, Schumi.

  • Hence why I was so upset about Lewis being pushed out, think he could have got this one

  • Seriously impressive

    what happened for the ferrari over this race?. heat with tyres?

  • what happened for the ferrari over this race?. heat with tyres?

    Poor hard tyre performance, has been all year

  • 14.014 km to go

  • Seriously impressive

    what happened for the ferrari over this race?. heat with tyres?

    I read (I think from Adam C) that Ferrari struggles to heat up the tyres in low temps.

  • Hence why I was so upset about Lewis being pushed out, think he could have got this one

    He needs to talk to jenson

  • what happened for the ferrari over this race?. heat with tyres?

    yeah

  • JB fastes S1 too far away from Webber but nice to pull away from alonso

  • The Lotus has odd looking front wings!

  • I read (I think from Adam C) that Ferrari struggles to heat up the tyres in low temps.

    so what makes the ferrari different from other cars? the way they shape the air around their car? different levels of downforce?

  • Webber hasn't narrowed the gap much to Vettel lately :(

  • final lap!

  • cor blimey, webber took a second out of vettel

  • so what makes the ferrari different from other cars? the way they shape the air around their car? different levels of downforce?

    Could be a mechanical grip thing, set-up, geometry, etc

  • cor blimey, webber took a second out of vettel

    too little too late... But is he after the fastest lap to annoy Vettel... who has it?

  • so what makes the ferrari different from other cars? the way they shape the air around their car? different levels of downforce?

    suspension, they're the only top team with a different geometry

  • Driver of the day then gang?

  • so what makes the ferrari different from other cars? the way they shape the air around their car? different levels of downforce?

    most likely mechanical grip - i.e. how the geometry of the car works the tyres into the ground

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Jenson of course :)

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    It has to be Jenson for me... He's been to the back of the grid, so he does it for me

  • DC: His 200th GP was 7 years ago. :|

  • TIme for the U-turn at La SOurce

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Gonna go with Schumacher

  • And this is the team that had blistering fronts?? RBR 1-2.

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Gonna say Schumacher just to be different :P

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Schumacher. :)

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Jenson. But a strong second place to Schumi.

  • *yawn

    wait, this wasn't a race recap from another GP?

  • DOTD = JB

    Ban = DRS!

  • Our Driver of the Day? Our Jense. ;)

  • Gonna go with Schumacher

    in the doghouse with you

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Gonna go with Schumacher

    reckon so.

  • yellows!

  • wait, this wasn't a race recap from another GP?

    awesome first half, second half.. not so much

  • That bloody finger though!

  • Jensonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn <3 <3

    i love that supporting JB means that his quali position doesn't really matter... he can win from 13th, he can win from last.. he can even get a podium from 13th. :)

  • awesome first half, second half.. not so much

    I agree.

  • Poor Vitaly

  • ohhhh dear! Petrov!!

  • Maldonado scores a point in a race he shouldn't have been in ;)

  • Driver of the day then gang?

    Vettel (yes, seriously). I see this race as Brazil 2009 for Jenson, the race that 'make him a worthy champion'

  • when are they going to fine Vettel for having contact with his crew?

  • right i'm watching with no comms so i can hear clearly how happy JB is :)

  • reckon so.

    Really... Maybe... Jenson did better considering he was also at the back of the grid at one point... But then he was near the back mainly because of a mistake in quali...

  • ohhhh dear! Petrov!!

    he did finish though.

  • Did it sound to anyone else like somebody was repeatedly shouting something very naughty then

  • Vettel (yes, seriously). I see this race as Brazil 2009 for Jenson, the race that 'make him a worthy champion'

    Good point.

    Ricciardo was fastest of the new cars for some time. Anyone know why he retired?

  • Did it sound to anyone else like somebody was repeatedly shouting something very naughty then

    yep.

  • Hey folks,

    That was a fabulous race. Truly great stuff.

  • Ricciardo was fastest of the new cars for some time. Anyone know why he retired?

    he was 15th at one point and then vanished

  • Gonna go with Schumacher

    Blasphemy!

    I'm biased but JB for me. Pastor put a decent, if quiet shift in to come home in 10th.

  • Neway said, "I'm relieved to see you boys"

  • JB says first corner was mayhem

  • Man, Brundle sounds very quiet compared to Crofty!

  • Red Bull have over 400 points!

  • Good race, eh?

  • yep.

    If I was guessing from accent it sounded like Jenson... But... of course that would be unlike him

  • Neway said, "I'm relieved to see you boys"

    newey on the podium :D

  • mark talking about anti-stall

  • Man, Brundle sounds very quiet compared to Crofty!

    Trying to listen to the pre-podium chatter. :)

  • A great drive by Schumacher too - joint drive of the race with Vettel.

  • Hehe, i like the "So what happened in the race"

    and everyone fills each other in on the bits they know :)

  • Good race, eh?

    Great race, for a dry Spa!

  • I feel like JB has won today.. am just so proud. i think i've finally excepted that if i just ignore the red bulls the result is great!

  • Good race, eh?

    Indeed. :)

  • Good race, eh?

    It was pretty good. Just felt like the last half was only worth watching for Jenson munching his way up but the first half of the race was very awesome.

  • Red Bull have over 400 points!

    first non-mclaren and non-ferrari win here since 1998

  • the australian flag looks very blue. i know i left the country a few years back but shouldn't it be darker?

  • Soon Vettel will have twice the points of second place man

  • schumi proved himself not...tooo...old to be racing today, but imma give it to Jenson with another great climb through the moving chicanes

  • Both Lotus' finished ahead of Rubens thanks to his annoyingness.

  • mark's mum??

  • the australian flag looks very blue. i know i left the country a few years back but shouldn't it be darker?

    Should be the same blue as the Scottish flag

  • Anyone planning on watching the MotoGP race from Indy in a few hours?

  • It's all Schumacher's fault that my mind expects the German national anthem to go into the Italian one on the podiums...

  • i think i've finally excepted that if i just ignore the red bulls the result is great!

    I know, riiight?

  • While we're on the subject, you think MotoGP sould have a race at Spa sometime?

  • The non-investigation of Lewis' incident today has left me pretty cold.

  • Nina's just started screaming... She was asleep didn't know Vettel had won until the Austrian National Anthem started

  • While we're on the subject, you think MotoGP sould have a race at Spa sometime?

    Yes, but not sure if it's safe enough for it. It's very similar to Suzuka.

  • Nina's just started screaming... She was asleep didn't know Vettel had won until the Austrian National Anthem started

    hehe she's not a Vettel fan then :)

  • who did DC just talk about that passed away this morning?

  • Nina's just started screaming... She was asleep didn't know Vettel had won until the Austrian National Anthem started

    Awww hehe :)

  • Anyone planning on watching the MotoGP race from Indy in a few hours?

    I doubt I'll have live coverage, but yes if I do

  • who did DC just talk about that passed away this morning?

    Martin Hines

  • looks like the Ausi GP trophy?

  • Beautiful trophy Martin? More like corporate tat.

  • who did DC just talk about that passed away this morning?

    Martin Hinds?

  • Beautiful trophy Martin? More like corporate tat.

    I actually quite like it. It's not as awful as Santander's.

  • The non-investigation of Lewis' incident today has left me pretty cold.

    Meh - racing incident for me.

  • Beautiful trophy Martin? More like corporate tat.

    Much nicer than Santander's awfulness mind

  • Nina's just started screaming... She was asleep didn't know Vettel had won until the Austrian National Anthem started

    The Austrian National Anthem is pretty dreary!

  • Beautiful trophy Martin? More like corporate tat.

    well thenlet RBR have it then. Mclaren would have just tossed it in the garbageq

  • Newey should release an aftershave called Champagne

  • Beautiful trophy Martin? More like corporate tat.

    Classical shell logo on a proper shield, i like it a lot better than the silly sculptures

  • I actually quite like it. It's not as awful as Santander's.

    It's alright. But would you comment on how lovely it is...? It's just a plate with the shell logo on it.

  • who did DC just talk about that passed away this morning?

    Martin Hines. Karting legend. Mentor and trainer for pretty much everyone on the way up.

  • It's alright. But would you comment on how lovely it is...? It's just a plate with the shell logo on it.

    Would make for a lovely bowl for coco pops

  • Meh - racing incident for me.

    My thought exactly.

  • Newey should release an aftershave called Champagne

    rofl

    'collected from soiled shirts and pantsof race winners'

  • I actually quite like it. It's not as awful as Santander's.

    It's a bit more 'subtle' isn't it. That Santander one is shocking - I saw them at the Reb Bull Factory (Note: Mr C. - I still need to do you a guest post, sorry new job has been BUSY).

  • Martin Hines. Karting legend. Mentor and trainer for pretty much everyone on the way up.

    thanks for the replies everyone. not someone I knew about.

  • Martin Hines. Karting legend. Mentor and trainer for pretty much everyone on the way up.

    Indeed: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94071

  • Scariest racing moment of the season so far? Webber Alonso

  • There's a bloke behind them with a light blue Renault shirt and a green Ltus cap

    #Confused

  • Meh - racing incident for me.

    I think taking into account a) that it was decided every collision would be investigated and b) that he was reprimanded yesterday they'd want to at least look at what happened.

  • omg I can hear EJ and I'm in the bathroom. reminded me I need to do my morning things...

  • scary belgium pitlane guard looks as scary as they did last year..

  • Jenson ahead of Lewis in the championship too.

  • Scariest racing moment of the season so far? Webber Alonso

    Definitely

    Scariest in a few years

  • scary belgium pitlane guard looks as scary as they did last year..

    Like the guy at the Science Museum

  • scary belgium pitlane guard looks as scary as they did last year..

    And just as stupid, no doubt!

  • scary belgium pitlane guard looks as scary as they did last year..

    as the ones in the forest with dogs?

  • Eddie chant?

  • Like the guy at the Science Museum

    strong accusation :)

  • Scariest racing moment of the season so far? Webber Alonso

    But what a truly stunning pass. Kudos.

  • Scariest in a few years

    I think the Schumi Rubens incident was last year right? That was close and similar.

  • But what a truly stunning pass. Kudos.

    Hmmmm

  • But what a truly stunning pass. Kudos.

    It was amazing... If it had gone wrong it would have been quite terrifying

  • Maybe this years ROC should be a karting race held in honor of Mr. Karting?

  • ahh yes Martin! JB can drive well in the dry and wet! woot woot!

  • Jenson from 19th to 3rd, schumi from 24th to 5th...

    So MSC made more passes, but Button made BETTER passes

  • Oh shut up Martin.

  • How was he not behind Eddie? Fool

  • kobi had damage going into that?

  • that poor photog! thank goodness he managed to miss the debris

  • kobi had damage going into that?

    For a while before that, 1st corner I think

  • kobi had damage going into that?

    oh yeah. that front wing was damaged in the 1st turn

  • For a while before that, 1st corner I think

    yep makes sense.

  • Eddie Jordan fans?

    umummmmmmm....I'm horribly confused now

  • Vettel is the new German Beard League representative

  • oh gosh doesn't that mclaren jacket look even worse today?.

  • I don't know what to think about the Lewis and Kamui crash... I think they are both at fault for not giving each other enough room!

  • Shame about Senna's race in the end. I wonder if he carried damage from his turn 1 smash. P12 in the end.

  • I don't know what to think about the Lewis and Kamui crash... I think they are both at fault for not giving each other enough room!

    I think it was a racing incident

  • Vettel is the new German Beard League representative

    "Who won a race with facial hair?"

  • Eddie Jordan fans?

    I've met far more EJ fans than detractors...

  • Kai has lost power but otherwise is all good

  • Shame about Senna's race in the end. I wonder if he carried damage from his turn 1 smash. P12 in the end.

    Senna being shown in 13th on the BBC scroll thingy

  • +

    I don't know what to think about the Lewis and Kamui crash... I think they are both at fault for not giving each other enough room!

    Hate the fact Whitmarsh was implying it was a straight crash caused completely by Kobayashi. Utter nonsense.

  • Heidfeld would have finished in the points.

  • "Who won a race with facial hair?"

    lewis 'thing' counts?

  • I think it was a racing incident

    By that you mean they are both at fault, or that it's nobody's fault?

  • By that you mean they are both at fault, or that it's nobody's fault?

    Just one of those things

  • Kai has lost power but otherwise is all good

    eep. I'm in a much better spot here. no worries for me yet.

  • Webber says that Seb almost had the same problem with the anti-stall

  • I've met far more EJ fans than detractors...

    People who have clearly not heard him speak...

  • The whole season seems to be a Webber vs Alonso battle!

  • Hate the fact Whitmarsh was implying it was a straight crash caused completely by Kobayashi. Utter nonsense.

    I do agree that if you're behind, you're responsible for making sure the pass is possible before sticking your nose in.

  • How is FBFB ahead of the TV on the press conerence? Or is it a 'secret'?

  • Heidfeld would have finished in the points.

    or caught fire

  • How is FBFB ahead of the TV on the press conerence? Or is it a 'secret'?

    #confidential

  • How is FBFB ahead of the TV on the press conerence? Or is it a 'secret'?

    bbc do the conference on delay. the website and world feed usually go live

  • How is FBFB ahead of the TV on the press conerence? Or is it a 'secret'?

    R5L had it live?

  • The whole season seems to be a Webber vs Alonso battle!

    For 2nd.

  • Kai has lost power but otherwise is all good

    ah thanks Bassano, was wondering why she was a bit quiet. am pleased she's okay

  • How is FBFB ahead of the TV on the press conerence? Or is it a 'secret'?

    They get the script from Bernie :)

  • Senna being shown in 13th on the BBC scroll thingy

    Oops, yes you're right.

    Heidfeld would have finished in the points.

    Based on what?

  • #confidential

    woops. blew it.

  • I don't know what to think about the Lewis and Kamui crash... I think they are both at fault for not giving each other enough room!

    I agree

  • Heidfeld would have finished in the points.

    or caught fire

    Not mutually exclusive events

  • So MSC made more passes, but Button made BETTER passes

    But Button had a better car under him.

  • oh gosh that sounds scary! someone's front wing took out JBs front wing, and wing mirror! that's a bit close..

  • A front wing hit jenson's car? Christ..

  • But what a truly stunning pass. Kudos.

    Pass of the season for me - and no DRS.

  • hehe JB has forgiven him so i suppose i can consider it..

  • Nice dig at Seb there :)

  • By that you mean they are both at fault, or that it's nobody's fault?

    Both and neither... I think Kamui shouldn't have chosen to go in there for the overtake, but once he'd gone in the situation was compounded by Lewis assuming he couldn't get a return overtake. Part of winning the race isn't letting yourself be taken out too... I feel like Jenson would have kept more room, "just in case".

    So 50:50 and just one of those things.

  • hehe JB has forgiven him so i suppose i can consider it..

    baby steps :)

  • Nice dig at Seb there :)

    the best bit of that was Seb looking back after a second or two later saying "really?" with his eyes...

  • baby steps :)

    yeah, can't go rushing myself..

  • hehe JB has forgiven him so i suppose i can consider it..

    NO FORGIVENESS FOR THE FINGER

  • Vettel now has more points than the whole of 2010

  • NO FORGIVENESS FOR THE FINGER

    no, never!

  • and WHAT! at the pic of JB's rear wing!

  • Vettel now has more points than the whole of 2010

    so is the championship mathematically over yet?

  • NO FORGIVENESS FOR THE FINGER

    This.

  • @angua2259: Mark's eyeing up that jug of squash LOL

    And he was too.

  • When I said jenson was munching other drivers...

  • so is the championship mathematically over yet?

    Give it another couple of weeks

  • Not mutually exclusive events

    :)

  • so is the championship mathematically over yet?

    If it was, Vettel would be champ. Not yet

  • so is the championship mathematically over yet?

    Give it another couple of weeks

    He's already in a position where he doesn't even have to win another race and he could still walk away with the title

  • @angua2259: Mark's eyeing up that jug of squash LOL

    Bloody Sniff Petrol!

  • If it was, Vettel would be champ. Not yet

    i think i just want it over and done with. Pity we're probably not going into a final race with 4 different potential winners but hey...

  • so is the championship mathematically over yet?

    Not yet, but even if he gets finishes in the points let alone the podium, it'll be a tough ask for the others

  • Shame about Senna's race in the end. I wonder if he carried damage from his turn 1 smash. P12 in the end.

    But of course it was Senna being race rusty that caused him to cause the incident

  • Shame about Senna's race in the end. I wonder if he carried damage from his turn 1 smash. P12 in the end.

    Bruno was epic disappointment :(

  • so is the championship mathematically over yet?

    likely won't be clinched until Japan (Vettel's favorite circuit)

  • Bruno was epic disappointment :(

    Indeed. Shame.

  • likely won't be clinched until Japan (Vettel's favorite circuit)

    boooooooo it's not allowed to be over before Korea!

  • But of course it was Senna being race rusty that caused him to cause the incident

    I think it was more the fact he aaas in amongst the acton

  • surely heidfeld had something to say to the press. From behind the lotus/renault garage

  • Bruno took a completey different line

  • Bruno was epic disappointment :(

    bad start. but he showed promising pace

  • boooooooo it's not allowed to be over before Korea!

    It could be if Webber and Alonso keep them honest.

  • But of course it was Senna being race rusty that caused him to cause the incident

    Big miscalculation on the approach to La Source. In all fairness, bit Glock and Trulli did the same thing as well.

  • But of course it was Senna being race rusty that caused him to cause the incident

    Heidfeld surely has never done anything so exciting as smash into half the field

  • likely won't be clinched until Japan (Vettel's favorite circuit)

    Ah, you mean Sidepodhagen weekend? http://sidepodcast.com/post/sidepodhagen

  • oh my god! it was senna;s front wing.

  • oh my goodness!

  • That is so scary

  • jesus, thats scary..

  • oh my god! it was senna;s front wing.

    That could have been like Massa in 2009!

  • it sliced through metal like butter

  • oh my god! it was senna;s front wing.

    wow. that took JB's right mirror off. lucky

  • oh my god! it was senna;s front wing.

    i'm rapidly starting to dislike Senna. I think it's partly how bad i feel for Nick.

  • oh my god! it was senna;s front wing.

    That could have been like Massa in 2009!

    My thoughts exactly.

  • daaayyyum. button having a massa moment there.

    Cant even see the mirror as is vanishes

  • Paul's done his own performance report. He clearly been listening.

  • Paul's done his own performance report. He clearly been listening.

    he's had a lot of thinking time today

  • it sliced through metal like butter

    imagine what that could have done to JB if it hit him!! *curls up in a ball*

  • i'm rapidly starting to dislike Senna. I think it's partly how bad i feel for Nick.

    Really? On the strength of one mistake?

  • i'm rapidly starting to dislike Senna. I think it's partly how bad i feel for Nick.

    noooo :(

  • di Resta is very diplomatic... "Glock was quite ambitious"

  • Really? On the strength of one mistake?

    Carnage!

  • That could have been like Massa in 2009!

    Helmet is stronger than a wing mirror mount but still not nice

  • Really? On the strength of one mistake?

    oh no.. i just feel awful for Nick.. that and he nearly killed JB.. ;)

  • di Resta is very diplomatic... "Glock was quite ambitious"

    Textbook JYS, is how DC would describe that. :D

  • imagine what that could have done to JB if it hit him!! *curls up in a ball*

    It might have given him wing-based superpowers

  • di Resta is very diplomatic... "Glock was quite ambitious"

    That's one for lukeh's f babelfish

  • Paul is so good at describing the detail of the sport

  • i'm rapidly starting to dislike Senna. I think it's partly how bad i feel for Nick.

    Admittedly I like Senna. Heidfeld had plenty of opportunities and wasted them all.

  • Paul to be the next Martin Brundle?

  • Look away Lou, here's bruno..

  • oh here we go

  • mmm, black, gold, red and blue

  • Paul is so good at describing the detail of the sport

    totally agree. he's angling for Ant's spot.

  • Paul to be the next Martin Brundle?

    Next Ant Davidson, I think,

  • i'm rapidly starting to dislike Senna. I think it's partly how bad i feel for Nick.

    I think he's pretty good, you can't really blame him for what happened.

  • oh no.. i just feel awful for Nick.. that and he nearly killed JB.. ;)

    I don't feel sorry for Nick, he hasn't done that well this year. and it's not like he deliberately flung the wing bit at Button?

  • Admittedly I like Senna. Heidfeld had plenty of opportunities and wasted them all.

    but.. he's so unhappy! :(

  • Bruno could've hit Rosberg. Shudder.

  • Bruno went full throttle into Eau Rouge with no front wing. Surely he must have realised it was missing!

  • Poor bruno. v.v

  • 'I don't think so I think was misjudgement and also I'm not as good as everyone wants me to be '

    turns away to cry

  • I don't feel sorry for Nick, he hasn't done that well this year. and it's not like he deliberately flung the wing bit at Button?

    hehehe well Seb didn't deliberately hit JB last year but i still don't like him ;)

    #superbiased ;)

  • Bruno went full throttle into Eau Rouge with no front wing. Surely he must have realised it was missing!

    Why?? He can't see it.

  • Next Ant Davidson, I think,

    I think he's better than Ant, maybe not as personable as Ant (depends on your taste), but he seems to be super clear on explaining the way things work

  • I don't feel sorry for Nick, he hasn't done that well this year.

    Better than his team-mate.

  • Why?? He can't see it.

    He did hit another car, and that tends to do some damage.

  • I think it's too hard to ask Bruno to come into a team at this stage of the season after a year off and at Spa, a very tricky circuit!

  • I think he's better than Ant, maybe not as personable as Ant (depends on your taste), but he seems to be super clear on explaining the way things work

    He's a real cutie. What's unpersonable about him??

  • Paul to be the next Martin Brundle?

    Next Ant Davidson, I think,

    noooooooo Paul will be much more successful in F1 :)

  • I think he's better than Ant, maybe not as personable as Ant (depends on your taste), but he seems to be super clear on explaining the way things work

    I think he's the next Ant because I see Ant moving up to BBC TV if Brundle or DC needed to move on,

  • He did hit another car, and that tends to do some damage.

    You can't lift off if you don't know for sure - lots of cars around you

  • I think he's the next Ant because I see Ant moving up to BBC TV if Brundle or DC needed to move on,

    Eurgh.

  • Why?? He can't see it.

    He drove over his own front wing. Must have moticed that.

  • I think it's too hard to ask Bruno to come into a team at this stage of the season after a year off and at Spa, a very tricky circuit!

    Too much expectation after a good qualifying.

  • so, watching the people gathered back on the force india step, I have a question...

    Can they walk around the paddock with open alcoholic beverages? What about the wine glass?

  • He did hit another car, and that tends to do some damage.

    Doesn't mean the wing is gone.

    He drove over his own front wing. Must have moticed that.

    Ask Nick Heidfeld about Canada.

  • oooh Pastor... bad

  • I suppose Senna's problem is his name ... it helped get him here, but it's too much pressure on him.

  • Ooooooh big words from pastor.

  • omg Pastor having a go at Lewis for being taken off!

  • Can they walk around the paddock with open alcoholic beverages? What about the wine glass?

    The racing's over, the support races use another pit lane [if there rare any more races]

  • oooh Pastor... bad

    Ooookay.

  • I suppose Senna's problem is his name ... it helped get him here, but it's too much pressure on him.

    that movie about his namesake has finally made it to my area. really looking forward to seeing it in the next week

  • Pastor's body language [touch to the face] indicate he's lying

  • Watch the hand gesture from Lewis on the replay, when his hand goes up, Pastor drives into him

  • He's a real cutie. What's unpersonable about him??

    Oh I don't think so... I think Ant is a cheeky chappie and quite excitable and stuff so I imagine some people really like his radio personality etc. But I like Paul better

  • Pastor's body language [touch to the face] indicate he's lying

    hehehe it's like we've in 'lie to me' :)

  • Not impressed with Pastor there.

  • Pastor's body language [touch to the face] indicate he's lying

    well, that....and the video footage

  • Ooookay.

    You think they are the same kind of incident?

  • Not impressed with Pastor there.

    Worst rubens team mate ever.

    Including you know who.

    (not voldemort.)

  • Pastor's body language [touch to the face] indicate he's lying

    well, that....and the video footage

    I mean, when he said Lewis did the same today

  • Maldonado doesn't seem to have his story straight.

    We slowed down after turn one

    We were fighting

    That is racing

    None of those statements agree with each other

  • You think they are the same kind of incident?

    There are similarities, but not quite the same.

  • he he at FBFB... that's what Katherine just said :)

  • new F1 obstacle: just after the first corner, a couple thousand paintballs will be dropped onto the racetrack.

    It'd be like dodging bits of wing and bodywork, but less damaging

  • There are similarities, but not quite the same.

    Not quite the same?? One is under racing conditions where road position is all. The other is just pottering back to the pit.

  • Schumi cap!

    *drool*

  • so do we all get ready to figure out the song?

  • There are similarities, but not quite the same.

    Yes like the fact that Lewis was in front in one, and behind in the other?

  • so do we all get ready to figure out the song?

    Yes, please. :)

  • There are similarities, but not quite the same.

    One was at racing speeds in a race and the other was after the session cruising back to the pits when Maldonado rammed him

  • so do we all get ready to figure out the song?

    20mins more of BBC coverage. Long show today

  • is that villas boas? o.O

  • Yes, please. :)

    devices are somewhat ready.

  • WTF! it is!!!

  • One was at racing speeds in a race and the other was after the session cruising back to the pits when Maldonado rammed him

    Exactly why they're not the same.

  • Aston Villas-Boas?

  • Why is the Chelsea manager there?

  • that's.. who?... right.. cause we really wanna hear about football BBC. cheers for this. :/

  • Jake got his name covered.

  • "Plenty of famous faces..."

    Cue some football manager. Ehhh... yeah Jake

  • Why is the Chelsea manager there?

    I'm so confused, that is so very random. Chelsea had a game yesterday, and his rivals are playing today, and he's at the f1! Awesome!

  • Exactly why they're not the same.

    But I don't understand how they are in any way similar?

  • Too much football in F1 these days

    #BlameSky

  • EJ grabbing Ants arm. Waiting for the backhand;

    "DON'T TOUCH ME YOU LITTLE TROLL!"

  • I'm so confused, that is so very random. Chelsea had a game yesterday, and his rivals are playing today, and he's at the f1! Awesome!

    He might get sacked for that - it is Chelsea after all! ;)

  • He might get sacked for that - it is Chelsea after all! ;)

    I love how he chose F1 over football, hehehe. Brilliant.

  • Too much football in F1 these days

    #BlameSky

    why would they ruin our beloved sport with such awfulness :(

  • I mean, err, Jake's arm

  • STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL! :'(

  • why would they ruin our beloved sport with such awfulness :(

    It's not that bad. He's actually quite interesting.

  • Stop with the football dammit!

  • hehehe @lou_uk and i really are the same person

    ' I have never seen this man before in my life. I thought he was just a fan invading their personal space.' :D

  • It's not like he has no idea about f1..

  • It's not that bad. He's actually quite interesting.

    not when you don't have the slightest interest in football it isn't. :)

  • jesus, that move is absolutely mental on eau rouge!

  • even an hour later - yikes

  • jesus, that move is absolutely mental on eau rouge!

    Psycho.

  • jesus, that move is absolutely mental on eau rouge!

    But utterly brilliant

  • A lot of butters?

    Has he been watching south park

  • alonso smiles about that question (battle with mark)

  • A lot of butters?

    Has he been watching south park

    ohhhh I've got something in my pocket for you....

  • Laud a, cue the stupid comments

  • uh oh

  • Laud a, cue the stupid comments

    Lauda + EJ = ?

  • Laud a, cue the stupid comments

    There we go

  • Oh my word. Why are they talking to him

  • Laud a, cue the stupid comments

    well done. he literally used the word stupid

  • He does kinda have a point.

  • Laud a, cue the stupid comments

    Indeed. Lost a lot of respect for him lately. Just a grumpy old man.

  • Indeed. Lost a lot of respect for him lately. Just a grumpy old man.

    bring back villas boas!!

    ;)

  • Laud a should understand the racing line. Fool, spoiling his reputation

  • aww i didn't realise who waved the flag.

    http://yfrog.com/kgc43hj

    love this :)

  • Oh my word. Why are they talking to him

    The whole triple world champion gives him some kudos

  • I am not surprised to find they haven't put him in as a steward

  • The whole triple world champion gives him some kudos

    He just sounds like a confused old man.

  • aww i didn't realise who waved the flag.

    sorry who is this?

  • Lauda is taking so much crap he's making up what nationality he is.

  • I am not surprised to find they haven't put him in as a steward

    :)

  • sorry who is this?

    John Surtees

  • "...when the races are getting boring you can entertain yourselves..."

    lolz!

  • Jake says he'll be on the BBC every week. :D

  • Nicola!

  • ahh Nicola, been a while since i've seen her on tv.

  • Why did they not ask Lauda about the Maldonad o incident?

  • "That sucked" :)

  • John Surtees

    thanks. off to google...

  • ahh Nicola, been a while since i've seen her on tv.

    #sameperson #sametime

  • A 'Who can you spot' game for Lou ;)

    http://t.co/y12hI5J

  • #sameperson #sametime

    :)

  • aww i didn't realise who waved the flag.

    I have heard no mention that he was doing that

  • thanks. off to google...

    !!!

    Surtees is the only driver to be both F1 and motorbike world champion

  • I have heard no mention that he was doing that

    I heard his name in the build up but didn't catch the context

  • A 'Who can you spot' game for Lou ;)

    Andy is right in the centre..and i think i see Sutton, but it's not clear enough for me to find the others.

  • Surtees is the only driver to be both F1 and motorbike world champion

    Valentino Rossi, are you listening? :D

  • Lovely overtake

  • Andy is right in the centre..and i think i see Sutton, but it's not clear enough for me to find the others.

    You mean there is an F1 photographer who can't take a good photo of the press room?

  • hehehehe!!!! DC 'he's a racer' yes DC... and we're at a race. bless him.

  • !!!

    I don't know heaps about F1. and since coming to America I feel myself drifting toward other motorsports.... nooo...

  • hehehehe!!!! DC 'he's a racer' yes DC... and we're at a race. bless him.

    :D to be fair, JYS has always differentiated between drivers (think Prost) and racers (think Senna).

  • Jenson just nee to sort his Saturday performance out

  • I would love to see the number of overtakes stats run between Lewis and Jenson adjusted for laps raced. I think Lewis might have done more overtakes but keeps going a bit aggressive and not making it around

  • You mean there is an F1 photographer who can't take a good photo of the press room?

    it's certainly not in focus! silly phone camera. Daniel takes some amazing photos tho, so don't judge his ability from a phone camera :)

  • a great move by JB. good call DC.

  • I don't know heaps about F1. and since coming to America I feel myself drifting toward other motorsports.... nooo...

    Fair enough. Surtees is an absolute legend and probably one of the sport's most undervalued names, along with Brabham.

  • You mean there is an F1 photographer who can't take a good photo of the press room?

    in sutton's words, "it's a photo you can't sell, so why to put a good photog there?"

  • I don't know heaps about F1. and since coming to America I feel myself drifting toward other motorsports.... nooo...

    ...other motorsports? please explain

  • Fair enough. Surtees is an absolute legend and probably one of the sport's most undervalued names, along with Brabham.

    Not quite as undervalued as Hulme and Hawthorn, IMO.

  • Fair enough. Surtees is an absolute legend and probably one of the sport's most undervalued names, along with Brabham.

    aah but as an aussie, I know Brabham because I grew up hearing about it!

  • Not quite as undervalued as Hulme and Hawthorn, IMO.

    Surtees was way better than either of them

  • Not quite as undervalued as Hulme and Hawthorn, IMO.

    True, but Surtees and Brabham are legendary for feats beyond simply driving.

  • Not quite as undervalued as Hulme and Hawthorn, IMO.

    Hardly anyone in NZ even knows who Hulme is. No mention of either Hulme, McLaren or Amon in the sports section of the national museum, but there was a Britten bike...

  • Not quite as undervalued as Hulme and Hawthorn, IMO.

    Surtees was way better than either of them

    That's true.

  • aah but as an aussie, I know Brabham because I grew up hearing about it!

    John is also the father of Henry Surtees who was killed in F2 in 2009

  • ...other motorsports? please explain

    the one that turns up on my tv when i turn it on. i'll leave it vague. it has decent live timing shown on tv, and more importantly I can get it in HD on my tv. i haven't watched a lot of it because until a driver can turn in two directions....

  • Smiley Smiley JB :)

  • Hardly anyone in NZ even knows who Hulme is. No mention of either Hulme, McLaren or Amon in the sports section of the national museum, but there was a Britten bike...

    he was on a stamp though :D

  • he was on a stamp though :D

    Good. Finally.

  • Thanks FBFB

  • Thanks Christine! FBFB was fab as usual! :)

  • *waves bye bye to fbfb* awesome as always.

  • Good. Finally.

    in good company too stamps.nzpost.co.…-world-motorsport

  • bye fbfb!

  • get ready to listen to the song for journeyer

  • Interesting that the BBC highlights are at 5:30, around the same time they mentioned with the Sky Deal. testing the waters out?

  • Interesting that the BBC highlights are at 5:30, around the same time they mentioned with the Sky Deal. testing the waters out?

    Yes.

  • in good company too stamps.nzpost.co.…-world-motorsport

    Oh that's lovely. You've made my day posting that :)

  • Interesting that the BBC highlights are at 5:30, around the same time they mentioned with the Sky Deal. testing the waters out?

    Probably because Moto GP is straight after it

  • no idea mr journeyer.

  • Interesting that the BBC highlights are at 5:30, around the same time they mentioned with the Sky Deal. testing the waters out?

    Yeah and more importantly they are on BBC2 not BBC3. But they have MotoGP on at the usual time they put the highlights on (7pm).

  • ahhh love this song!!

  • ooh i just realised theres no f1 on the weekend of my trip to Sydney. Well timed tennis world, well timed.

  • Calvin Harris "Feel so close" [extended mix]

  • no idea mr journeyer.

    soundhound

    calvin harris

    feels so close (extended mix)

  • no idea mr journeyer.

    Soundhound says: Feels So Close by Calvin Harris

  • Calvin Harris "Feel so close" [extended mix]

    Shazam confirms this.

  • no idea mr journeyer.

    Calvin Harris 'So Close'

  • ooh i just realised theres no f1 on the weekend of my trip to Sydney. Well timed tennis world, well timed.

    You booked a trip without checking?

  • Cheers for another awesome session of f1 all, im off for a lay down. stinging eyes and beating head is no fun :(

    #blamesutil

  • fbfb replay: sidepodcast.com/p…1-race-highlights

  • Red button picture looks like it's streamed content. Awful

  • It's unanimous, then. :D

    Gotta run. Thanks, everyone! :)

  • bye lukeh

  • Cheers for another awesome session of f1 all, im off for a lay down. stinging eyes and beating head is no fun :(

    bye lukeh

    i'll be half hanging around for the forum. need to get my day kicking.

  • Forum time.

  • Oh that's lovely. You've made my day posting that :)

    people whined about them of course www.stuff.co.nz/s…-spin-over-stamps

  • Bye Lukeh, Journeyer

  • Red button picture looks like it's streamed content. Awful

    webcam from the broadcast truck?

  • Off to rest up a bit as well. See you (virtually) in Italy in 2 weeks if not before then. :)

  • You booked a trip without checking?

    What's the point of checking if it wouldn't change your plans either way.

  • You booked a trip without checking?

    i checked that it wasn't the same weekend I'm in Singapore, perhaps subconsciously I was aware of the fact Singapore isn't back to back with something before it :D

  • Cheers for another awesome session of f1 all, im off for a lay down. stinging eyes and beating head is no fun :(

    I'm off for a shower and maybe out for a bit, before MotoGP at 7 and IndyCar at 9. :)

  • Meantime, I'll be catching the conclusion of the 2CV race from Snetterton. :D

  • What's the point of checking if it wouldn't change your plans either way.

    You would miss a race to watch tennis?

  • What's the point of checking if it wouldn't change your plans either way.

    I'd still go, I'd just have to make sure I booked a hotel that gets ONE HD and has good internet :D

  • You would miss a race to watch tennis?

    they don't play tennis at 10pm so I'd be pretty safe, I just don't know what tv channels my hotel gets :)

  • You would miss a race to watch tennis?

    I'd miss a race to go on holiday definitely.

  • I'd miss a race to go on holiday definitely.

    Agreed.

  • mark was going to say no to DC I think and then Jake with a camera came over.

  • I'd miss a race to go on holiday definitely.

    I'm already kind of missing Japan due to my friends wedding since my parents don't have Sky. It'll be like living in the UK in 2012 ;)

  • 'lets talk about the start'

    'well.. i didn't do one. Ah there it is... beautiful'

    Mark is awesome :)

  • I'm already kind of missing Japan due to my friends wedding since my parents don't have Sky. It'll be like living in the UK in 2012 ;)

    Ooh burn!

  • I missed this earlier, mid-season testing to return to Mugello next year

    www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94068

  • I'd miss a race to go on holiday definitely.

    I'm missing a race to go to another race, but only because I can iPlayer it when I get home

  • Ooh burn!

    I won't even be able to stream it well since they have rubbish "we live in the middle of nowhere" internet :D

  • Mark is awesome :)

    ranking points!

  • I won't even be able to stream it well since they have rubbish "we live in the middle of nowhere" internet :D

    these places still exist?

  • I missed this earlier, mid-season testing to return to Mugello next year

    www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94068

    T'is in the Daily thread

  • I won't even be able to stream it well since they have rubbish "we live in the middle of nowhere" internet :D

    count yourself lucky you don't have that kinda connection every day :)

  • these places still exist?

    *looks around* yep!

  • these places still exist?

    I'm not sure it's as bad as they say it is, perhaps its just their middle-aged technophobiness talking :D

  • *looks around* yep!

    ha :) don't worry. my connection a few years ago wasn't great.

  • T'is in the Daily thread

    But it was only agreed pre-race?

  • ha :) don't worry. my connection a few years ago wasn't great.

    been told that we wont be getting a better connection till 2015 *cries*

  • But it was only agreed pre-race?

    They'd been meeting about it all weekend, but confirmed it this morning

  • How does Webber fix his starts?

  • been told that we wont be getting a better connection till 2015 *cries*

    eeks. and to think you'll miss this sort of stuff in quality...

  • How does Webber fix his starts?

    Change teams :P

  • Also:

    F1 teams are also seeking a slight tweak to the 2012 schedule, requesting that the Indian and Chinese GPs swap places on the calendar to help with the travel of freight for the opening four races of the campaign.

  • eeks. and to think you'll miss this sort of stuff in quality...

    no HD at home either.. cause we can't afford it. hehe tis okay. i'll just stick with 1mb broadband and SD for a few more years. :)

  • Ooopsie Jarno

  • Change teams :P

    :) but he's never been too good at starts I think.

  • i think i want that jumper..looks nice and warm

  • Change teams :P

    Do people really think this or is it a joke? Some people seem to think it might be true, but it seems really unlikely to me?

  • Do people really think this or is it a joke? Some people seem to think it might be true, but it seems really unlikely to me?

    His starts are terrible way too often

  • F1 teams are also seeking a slight tweak to the 2012 schedule, requesting that the Indian and Chinese GPs swap places on the calendar to help with the travel of freight for the opening four races of the campaign.

    they can move anything they want, as long as they leave Germany alone :D

  • they can move anything they want, as long as they leave Germany alone :D

    :)

  • His starts are terrible way too often

    He was a qualifying specialist before Vettel was his team mate too

  • Do people really think this or is it a joke? Some people seem to think it might be true, but it seems really unlikely to me?

    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time it's enemy action...

  • F1 teams are also seeking a slight tweak to the 2012 schedule, requesting that the Indian and Chinese GPs swap places on the calendar to help with the travel of freight for the opening four races of the campaign.

    I say they should do what they can like this. cut the costs by making geographical races be closer together on the calendar.

  • they can move anything they want, as long as they leave Germany alone :D

    Just remember the calendar hasn't been solidified yet

  • He was a qualifying specialist before Vettel was his team mate too

    Maybe the clutch is to Vettel's liking or just different to earlier versions

  • He was a qualifying specialist before Vettel was his team mate too

    That reputation was built as DC's team mate. Even at his best DC was not a great qualifier so Webber outqualifying him most of the time proved nothing

  • How big is Ted's antenna!!

  • Just remember the calendar hasn't been solidified yet

    its why I've booked no flights. Well, that and not having any money for them :D

  • it looks like Adrian's been hit on the head..

  • it looks like Adrian's been hit on the head..

    His skull can't keep up with his growing brain

  • That reputation was built as DC's team mate. Even at his best DC was not a great qualifier so Webber outqualifying him most of the time proved nothing

    Exactly... I do think lots of the comparisons are a bit off because people forget the other person.

  • How big is Ted's antenna!!

    is Spa one of those tracks where the broadcast centre is a long way away?

    I'm glad he's getting this interview though. I'm enjoying this.

  • That reputation was built as DC's team mate. Even at his best DC was not a great qualifier so Webber outqualifying him most of the time proved nothing

    Can't agree with that, surely it was from qualifying the terrible Jag in the Top 3 several times?

  • Adrian Newey is NOT afraid of Wasps!

  • Exactly... I do think lots of the comparisons are a bit off because people forget the other person.

    You always need a benchmark to judge drivers and people rarely look for a solid benchmark. di Resta is getting great praise this season but is Sutil's performance level established?

  • Newey: I'm relieved both our drivers are safe

  • The motorhome looks like a shiny London bus

  • Newey: I'm relieved both our drivers are safe

    now I understand why newey made a comment before they went on the podium about seeing the two of them - i just thought he meant happy to see you in P1 and P2 not "safe and well"

  • I think of all the things i've heard about that crash Martin's is the best

  • Can't agree with that, surely it was from qualifying the terrible Jag in the Top 3 several times?

    His team mates at Jaguar were Justin Wilson, Antonio Pizzonia, Christian Klien. Out qualifying any of them proves nothing

  • I think of all the things i've heard about that crash Martin's is the best

    yep. and MB shut down argument on someone else's "Nonsense"

  • Newey: I'm relieved both our drivers are safe

    he refers to what there?

  • he refers to what there?

    the condition of the tyres.

  • he refers to what there?

    Newey is very safety sensitive because Senna died in one of his cars and for a while it was suggested a modification he made to the steering column caused the crash

  • the condition of the tyres.

    ah, ok

  • Newey is very safety sensitive because Senna died in one of his cars and for a while it was suggested a modification he made to the steering column caused the crash

    I'm still not sure what did, TBH.

  • Newey is very safety sensitive because Senna died in one of his cars and for a while it was suggested a modification he made to the steering column caused the crash

    I haven't seen Newey too often in interviews post race but like the bbc just said, he was "emotional"

  • Can't agree with that, surely it was from qualifying the terrible Jag in the Top 3 several times?

    Do you really think the Jaguar was a top 3 car on merit? I wouldn't care if Yoong was his teammate for those years, that clearly wasn't a car that should have been fighting for top grid slots, you could tell that on any onboard shot.

    He also had some very good perfomances in the Williams, fuel adjusted pole a couple of times I believe? Anyway, rightly or wrongly I am certain that he was known as a quali expert before he was paired with DC.

  • I'm still not sure what did, TBH.

    There has been so much stuff thrown around that sorting out the facts is difficult

  • There has been so much stuff thrown around that sorting out the facts is difficult

    Newey thinks he had a slow puncture, apparently.

  • Ultra short forum :(

  • You always need a benchmark to judge drivers and people rarely look for a solid benchmark. di Resta is getting great praise this season but is Sutil's performance level established?

    Very good point...

    I feel the same about Vettel's overtaking. People don't overtake every race, and some of winning is being sensible rather than super racey, and Vettel must have led more laps than anyone else. It's hard. Of course Lewis is more flashy and brilliant in the truest sense, but how much of it is opportunity to overtake, and how much of it was unwillingness to overtake because of wanting to preserve the points and how much of it is because he's less good at overtaking? I think it's hard to say.

  • aw that was a god forum

  • Ultra short forum :(

    Because the main show finished late?

  • Ultra short forum :(

    i'm not complaining. I can get on with things now :)

    see you all later. oh i better sync f1 with my upcoming time off.

  • Because the main show finished late?

    or seemed to

  • Good stuff. Actually felt the forum was just the right length. Right folks, I'm off - IndyCar is at 9pm, should be back in the daily for that.

    :)

  • Ultra short forum :(

    Twas good though.

  • Right I have to go and watch Doctor Who from yesterday... Catch you all later!

  • Because the main show finished late?

    or seemed to

    It was scheduled that way

  • It was scheduled that way

    Good. Longer main show, shorter forum, the way it should be IMO.

  • Do you really think the Jaguar was a top 3 car on merit?

    You can only judge how good a car is by the results it gets. If you have a known driver you can judge reasonably how good the car is. Webber did not have particularly good team mates so the fact he was faster than them does not necessarily make him a great qualifier.

    THe only real benchmark he was up against was DC. His reputation as a qualifier was there before but that does not mean he was genuinely mega quick. His reputation improved when he kept outqualifying DC but DC was always a poor qualifier.

    Now Vettel is destroying Webber so either Webber has slowed dramatically or he never had the speed or Vettel is the faster than any driver there has ever been

  • Think we're going to have to agree to disagree over the Jaguar Steven, and my main point was that Webber had that reputation (rightly or wrongly, I stress) before he was up against DC anyway.

  • I feel the same about Vettel's overtaking. People don't overtake every race, and some of winning is being sensible rather than super racey, and Vettel must have led more laps than anyone else. It's hard. Of course Lewis is more flashy and brilliant in the truest sense, but how much of it is opportunity to overtake, and how much of it was unwillingness to overtake because of wanting to preserve the points and how much of it is because he's less good at overtaking? I think it's hard to say.

    There is also the question about the cars they are driving. My impression based only on watching is that the Red Bull is so aerodynamically efficient that in dirty air it suffers more than the McLaren so that hinders its ability to overtake. It could reasonably be argued though that since it is faster in the first place any aero-hindering is not a sufficient disadvantage to make overtaking more difficult.

    For me Lewis is the better driver but he needs to reduce the level of risk he exposes himself to. Today I think he was not to blame for the crash but he could have avoided putting himself at risk just as Kobayashi could have avoided putting himself at risk. He was going to exit the corner behind Hamilton so why try to enter it half way along the outside of him. That makes no sense in that situation.

    Being in that position is only sensible if it compromises the other driver's line and therefore gives you a faster exit speed and the chance to pass on the run to the next corner and only if the other driver can definitely see you. That is what Lewis did to Webber at the last corner at the Nurbugring and it worked.

  • Being in that position is only sensible if it compromises the other driver's line and therefore gives you a faster exit speed and the chance to pass on the run to the next corner and only if the other driver can definitely see you. That is what Lewis did to Webber at the last corner at the Nurbugring and it worked.

    but he was compromising lewis' line, as proved by lewis moving over him to take the corner (and if lewis didn't see him, he's blind)

  • Think we're going to have to agree to disagree over the Jaguar Steven, and my main point was that Webber had that reputation (rightly or wrongly, I stress) before he was up against DC anyway.

    I agree he had the reputation before but I think that it was beating DC that changed it from being a particularly good qualifier to being rated as one of the very best

  • but he was compromising lewis' line, as proved by lewis moving over him to take the corner (and if lewis didn't see him, he's blind)

    Lewis was looking right because he was about to turn into a right hand corner.

    He was not compromising Lewis's line with a view to gaining an advantage because he was not far enough along side. To do that he had to be at least level and realistically half a car length in front. Even at that there is no chance of passing at the chicane. That only works in situations like the Nurburgring because there is a long run to the first corner so there is enough time for the greater exit speed to make a difference.

    Kobayashi gained nothing by sitting where he did. Decisions in motor racing should be based on risk vs potential gain. The potential gain was zero so why take the risk? All drivers now move to take the optimum racing line in the situation Lewis was in most of the time. It wasn't always like that but now it is accepted that is what happens so Kobayashi should have expected that.

  • He was not compromising Lewis's line with a view to gaining an advantage because he was not far enough along side. To do that he had to be at least level and realistically half a car length in front. Even at that there is no chance of passing at the chicane.

    why should he base his move in a 'realistic opportunity'? it was his only chance to get the place back, realistic or not it was better than sit there doing nothing. in any case, is the same place where alonso started his pass on massa, so there was a realistic oportunity.

    All drivers now move to take the optimum racing line in the situation Lewis was in most of the time. It wasn't always like that but now it is accepted that is what happens so Kobayashi should have expected that.

    the problem is when drivers (lewis above all) take that as a truth, and act as if everyone else agree with it. and when somebody doesn't agree and doesn't move when being shut the door, this kind of thing happens

  • why should he base his move in a 'realistic opportunity'? it was his only chance to get the place back, realistic or not it was better than sit there doing nothing. in any case, is the same place where alonso started his pass on massa, so there was a realistic oportunity.

    There was no opportunity. Had Lewis been right on the extreme right edge of the track with the most compromised line possible he was still going to get into the chicane first and there is no way to use an exit speed difference from the chicane to the next corner because of the very short distance. If by some miracle he Kobayashi had stayed level through the chcane he is on the outside of the 90 right and would have to gain enough exit speed to make a move at Rivage. None of that is possible when he is not even halfway level with Hamilton at Les Combes.

    the problem is when drivers (lewis above all) take that as a truth, and act as if everyone else agree with it. and when somebody doesn't agree and doesn't move when being shut the door, this kind of thing happens

    All of the drivers do it now and in the vast majority of occasions they get away with it. It is like any convention in that once it has existed for a certain time people assume it always will. When someone does not behave the way all the others do you get contact. Regardless whether it is right or wrong to expect it to happen it happens

  • he was still going to get into the chicane first and there is no way to use an exit speed difference from the chicane to the next corner because of the very short distance.

    I disagree, because that's what alonso did to massa

    It is like any convention in that once it has existed for a certain time people assume it always will.

    then drivers should stop assuming it and use their eyes instead

  • I disagree, because that's what alonso did to massa

    I can't remember that incident clearly but I can't believe Alonso was so far back at the turn in

  • I can't remember that incident clearly but I can't believe Alonso was so far back at the turn in

    he wasn't even alongside him, but he got a better exit of les combes and dived inside at rivage

  • he wasn't even alongside him, but he got a better exit of les combes and dived inside at rivage

    I will watch it later then.

    I still think even if the positions were identical Alonso was faster than Massa during the part of the race where he passed him while Lewis was clearly faster than Kamui so for Kamui to pass in that manner he had to be in a better position than Alonso to achieve the same result.

    I simply cannot see how he could have gained a position and I am not convinced it was in his interest to do so because the two of them were not racing for position at the end of the race. All they would have achieved by Kamui passing there would be to slow their race time and compromise both their race results

  • I simply cannot see how he could have gained a position and I am not convinced it was in his interest to do so because the two of them were not racing for position at the end of the race. All they would have achieved by Kamui passing there would be to slow their race time and compromise both their race results

    will have to agree to disagree then.

    but seriously, do you think kamui thought about all that before his try? it's kobayashi! he saw the (small) chance and took it. I'm sure lewis would have done the same ;-)

  • but seriously, do you think kamui thought about all that before his try? it's kobayashi! he saw the (small) chance and took it. I'm sure lewis would have done the same ;-)

    To me Kobayashi saw the chance to go up the outside and get the position back and tried to take it but it very quickly became clear he was not going to get it. At that point he could have eased off, slotted behind Lewis and given himself a better chance to pass at Rivage or even the chicane at the end of the lap. Instead of slotting in behind he seemed to just lazily leave his car where it was with the intention of following Lewis into the corner. I think when he ceased to gain ground on Lewis he mentally gave up the position.

    As long as there was a chance of causing something that would gain the place then like Lewis he would have tried to make it happen but the chance had passed at that corner.

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Yesterday's qualifying sessions were full of intrigue, surprises and thrills. From the early moments of Michael Schumacher's crash, to the very end with a not-so-shocking Vettel pole, we were treated to some weather-induced chaos. Perhaps there will be more on the cards today, as the drivers prepare to race for 44 laps of the Spa-Francorchamps circuit.
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