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Live: Germany - Free Practice 2

Published 10/07/2009 at 12:30 BST

Free Practice 1 was actually much more interesting than anticipated, plenty of action, some cars unable to stay on track, and even some fans in the grandstands!

Weather Update

There were dark clouds hovering throughout FP1 and we saw some light rain to test the drivers' wits. It didn't pour down though, and it looks like this afternoon will be much of the same.

One to Watch

Webber was the fastest man at the end of the day, but Fisichella was right up there. The Force India car was looking particularly handy at various points through the session, but was it just a one off?

Predictions Please

How many other Germans will fall off the track this afternoon? Will the rain spoil things for the fans? Will Rosberg get to top a timesheet this weekend?

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10/07/2009 at 12:34:43#1 - shindigthighslapper said:
hello
10/07/2009 at 12:39:41#2 - shindigthighslapper said:
is justin.tv showing prac. 2???????
10/07/2009 at 12:41:16#3 - me said:
is justin.tv showing prac. 2???????

i think they keep pulling the feeds.
10/07/2009 at 12:41:48#4 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
is justin.tv showing prac. 2???????

Bloomin' good question.
10/07/2009 at 12:42:05#5 - shindigthighslapper said:
is there anywhere else i can watch it???
10/07/2009 at 12:42:37#6 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
i think they keep pulling the feeds.

That HD set top box is looking more on the cards than ever then.
10/07/2009 at 12:42:47#7 - Amy said:
the feed thats always in the same place with the same password is showing it.
10/07/2009 at 12:43:20#8 - me said:
is there anywhere else i can watch it???

not having much luck on that front i'm afraid. will yell if we find anything though.
10/07/2009 at 12:43:38#9 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
the feed thats always in the same place with the same password is showing it.

So please PM to get details - Don't post here thanks!
10/07/2009 at 12:43:46#10 - shindigthighslapper said:
but they don't show practise on channel one?? do they??? (by the way when did this turn into an aussie chat room??)
10/07/2009 at 12:44:21#11 - me said:
So please PM to get details - Don't post here thanks!

you should probably post the url and the email though?

cause i have no idea what you're talking about.
10/07/2009 at 12:44:30#12 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
I've been meaning to mention me (for the last year or so) how much I like the font you use here in the comments. It may well be a default one but classy nonetheless.
10/07/2009 at 12:44:35#13 - Amy said:
but they don't show practise on channel one?? do they??? (by the way when did this turn into an aussie chat room??)

nope. if you want practice on TV, hop across the Tasman :D :D
10/07/2009 at 12:44:36#14 - me said:
but they don't show practise on channel one?? do they??? (by the way when did this turn into an aussie chat room??)

'bout march.
10/07/2009 at 12:45:36#15 - me said:
I've been meaning to mention me (for the last year or so) how much I like the font you use here in the comments. It may well be a default one but classy nonetheless.

i have no idea what it is. must look it up at some point :)
10/07/2009 at 12:46:10#16 - Amy said:
you should probably post the url and the email though?

if people bookmark http://www.jus...tworks/formulaone2009 it will have the information they need every single race.
10/07/2009 at 12:46:34#17 - Alianora La Canta said:
I'm not here.
10/07/2009 at 12:46:57#18 - me said:
I'm not here.

:)
10/07/2009 at 12:47:09#19 - Alianora La Canta said:
Speaking of feeds, can anyone tell me where the BBC's feed is? I've lost it...
10/07/2009 at 12:47:33#20 - Steven Roy said:
I'm not here.

This is getting like who's on first. Who's not here?
10/07/2009 at 12:48:00#21 - Alianora La Canta said:
I'm not here!
10/07/2009 at 12:48:26#22 - Nick said:
This is getting like who's on first. Who's not here?

What, who's not here?
10/07/2009 at 12:48:32#23 - Christine said:
cause i have no idea what you're talking about.

I think that's the idea. It's kinda like Fight Club but cars and stuff.
10/07/2009 at 12:49:01#24 - Steven Roy said:
Speaking of feeds, can anyone tell me where the BBC's feed is? I've lost it...

It hasn't shown up yet. You should be able to get it from bbc.co.uk/f1 when it does
10/07/2009 at 12:49:27#25 - me said:

Speaking of feeds, can anyone tell me where the BBC's feed is? I've lost it...

It hasn't shown up yet. You should be able to get it from bbc.co.uk/f1 when it does

http://news.bb...rmula_one/8143630.stm

might be that one, but who knows until it actually starts.
10/07/2009 at 12:51:28#26 - Alex Andronov said:
What, who's not here?

What's here, Alianora and who aren't here. But Why?
10/07/2009 at 12:51:49#27 - Alex Andronov said:
I think that's the idea. It's kinda like Fight Club but cars and stuff.

:) :) :)
10/07/2009 at 12:52:04#28 - Alianora La Canta said:
http://news.bb...rmula_one/8143630.stm

might be that one, but who knows until it actually starts. {me}

Thanks! Looks like the right one.
10/07/2009 at 12:52:04#29 - Steven Roy said:
What's here, Alianora and who aren't here. But Why?

Why's not here either
10/07/2009 at 12:52:30#30 - Alianora La Canta said:
Why's not here either

Isn't But Why Jenson Button's anonymous sibling?
10/07/2009 at 12:52:31#31 - Alex Andronov said:
Why's not here either

Where's Either?
10/07/2009 at 12:52:54#32 - Steven Roy said:
Looks like the Melbourne people are getting upset with Max. The politicians have joined in now.

http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/76811
10/07/2009 at 12:53:16#33 - Nick said:
Where's Either?

I think i saw him earlier, it was either, or
10/07/2009 at 12:53:37#34 - shindigthighslapper said:
if anyone can give me the adddy for a livestream of the practise would be much appreciated. Anyone one that complains about the BBC coverage of the formula has no idea how bad we have it in Australia
10/07/2009 at 12:53:39#35 - Steven Roy said:
I noticed on Autosport that Scott Speed qualified on the front row for a NASCAR race.
10/07/2009 at 12:53:40#36 - Alex Andronov said:
I think i saw him earlier, it was either, or

:)
10/07/2009 at 12:54:10#37 - me said:
I think i saw him earlier, it was either, or

:P
10/07/2009 at 12:54:39#38 - Maverick said:
What’s here, Alianora and who aren’t here. But Why?

Here isn't here
10/07/2009 at 12:54:53#39 - me said:
the diffuser ted was getting a bit excited about:

http://drop.io...et/macca-diffuser-jpg
10/07/2009 at 12:55:08#40 - Steven Roy said:
Here isn't here

Here isn't Either?
10/07/2009 at 12:55:14#41 - Amy said:
another good url to bookmark for streams for any sport is http://www.atdhe.net/ their links aren't always good, but 99% of the time you'll find what you want.
10/07/2009 at 12:55:19#42 - Alianora La Canta said:
Here isn't here

Well, no. Here is gone, according to the Goo Goo Dolls...
10/07/2009 at 12:55:27#43 - Steven Roy said:
BBC feed has just gone live
10/07/2009 at 12:55:48#44 - me said:
do we know if only lewis has the new diffuser?
10/07/2009 at 12:56:13#45 - Alianora La Canta said:
It's not snowing yet apparently...
10/07/2009 at 12:56:48#46 - Nick said:
the diffuser ted was getting a bit excited about:

ooh thats a tight little... diffuser.

Is it a-symetrical? What did ted say about it?
10/07/2009 at 12:56:59#47 - Nick said:
Ants in the pits?
10/07/2009 at 12:57:03#48 - Steven Roy said:
Live timing has reset

Track temp 20C
Air temp 12 C
Wind speed 8.6 m/s
Humidity 59%
Air pressure 942.4 mBar
10/07/2009 at 12:57:17#49 - me said:
piquet is taping foam to his ears.

no really. massive squares of foam.
10/07/2009 at 12:57:32#50 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Anyone elses live timing not working?
10/07/2009 at 12:57:36#51 - Rachel said:
Ants in the pits?

Can't fit three in the box?
10/07/2009 at 12:57:40#52 - Alex Andronov said:
Ants in the pits?

They should probably get a spray or some boiling water or something
10/07/2009 at 12:57:50#53 - Christine said:
no really. massive squares of foam.

I saw it too!
10/07/2009 at 12:58:14#54 - Nick said:
They should probably get a spray or some boiling water or something

hahahaha :D
10/07/2009 at 12:58:24#55 - me said:
I saw it too!

WTF?
10/07/2009 at 12:58:27#56 - Alianora La Canta said:
Detente plunger problem for Adrian Sutil. Sounds rather technical!
10/07/2009 at 12:58:29#57 - Amy said:
I saw it too!

18 months in and he still has a helmet that doesn't fit? :D
10/07/2009 at 12:58:37#58 - Steven Roy said:
Anyone elses live timing not working?

Try refreshing. It is a poor system and I have had sessions in the past where I never got it to work
10/07/2009 at 12:58:55#59 - Nick said:
Can't fit three in the box?

Hes tiny though...

Maybe hes gonna jump in someone's car while they arent looking...
10/07/2009 at 12:59:11#60 - Steven Roy said:
Can't fit three in the box?

Normally in the race there are three in the box. They just don'e let Mark Hughes speak
10/07/2009 at 12:59:31#61 - Alianora La Canta said:
I was wondering what the thing was with the large turquoise thing was. I hope he doesn't think it's fashionable.
10/07/2009 at 12:59:32#62 - me said:
Maybe hes gonna jump in someone's car while they arent looking...

he'll be waving at the team principles "remember me?"
10/07/2009 at 12:59:33#63 - Alex Andronov said:
Normally in the race there are three in the box. They just don'e let Mark Hughes speak

Different box no?
10/07/2009 at 12:59:40#64 - Steven Roy said:
Detente plunger problem for Adrian Sutil. Sounds rather technical!

Never heard of it
10/07/2009 at 12:59:52#65 - Alianora La Canta said:
Ian Phillips reckons the soft will be too soft for the Force India.
10/07/2009 at 13:00:05#66 - me said:
Normally in the race there are three in the box. They just don'e let Mark Hughes speak

i thought he did tv?
10/07/2009 at 13:00:07#67 - Alianora La Canta said:
Never heard of it

Me neither.
10/07/2009 at 13:00:26#68 - Rachel said:
Maybe hes gonna jump in someone's car while they arent looking...

:D
10/07/2009 at 13:00:28#69 - Nick said:
Different box no?

If Michael or Ralf commentate do they call it the schu box?
10/07/2009 at 13:00:33#70 - me said:
Different box no?

producer jason is up there too. maybe four is a push?
10/07/2009 at 13:00:41#71 - Steven Roy said:
Different box no?

He was always in the ITV box keeping lap charts and the like
10/07/2009 at 13:00:43#72 - me said:
If Michael or Ralf commentate do they call it the schu box?

:D
10/07/2009 at 13:01:09#73 - Nick said:
Red Bull have a sponsor?
10/07/2009 at 13:01:46#74 - Amy said:
Red Bull have a sponsor?

Red Bull Cola and Red Bull Mobile?
10/07/2009 at 13:01:51#75 - Alex Andronov said:
If Michael or Ralf commentate do they call it the schu box?

One of them will be commentating soon. Somebody said they wouldn't but I reckon it's a Schu in.
10/07/2009 at 13:01:55#76 - me said:
Red Bull have a sponsor?

who? is it not red bull mobile (apparently they do phones in germany).
10/07/2009 at 13:02:03#77 - Alianora La Canta said:
Red Bull have a sponsor?

Yes. They've had a sponsor since the fourth race they competed in - ironically their first sponsor was Rausch, another drink!
10/07/2009 at 13:02:05#78 - Iaian said:
Red Bull have a sponsor?

The most bizarre statement I've ever heard
10/07/2009 at 13:02:20#79 - Nick said:
Red Bull Cola and Red Bull Mobile?

Mobile!???
10/07/2009 at 13:02:20#80 - Alex Andronov said:
He was always in the ITV box keeping lap charts and the like

Sorry what I mean is the radio box is different than the tv box
10/07/2009 at 13:02:34#81 - Alianora La Canta said:
The Sebastiaen Shuffle gets going...
10/07/2009 at 13:02:41#82 - Nick said:
who? is it not red bull mobile (apparently they do phones in germany).

This i did not know!
10/07/2009 at 13:02:43#83 - me said:
Mobile!???

branded handsets i think. a vettel phone.
10/07/2009 at 13:03:06#84 - me said:
branded handsets i think. a vettel phone.

http://www.redbullmobile.at/

we only found out yesterday.
10/07/2009 at 13:03:15#85 - Steven Roy said:
Sorry what I mean is the radio box is different than the tv box

Yes of course
10/07/2009 at 13:03:47#86 - Iaian said:
Nakajima goes into the gravel
10/07/2009 at 13:04:12#87 - Iaian said:
and keeps on going
10/07/2009 at 13:04:16#88 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Try refreshing. It is a poor system and I have had sessions in the past where I never got it to work

Tried. First time its done this to me. Boooo.
10/07/2009 at 13:04:40#89 - Nick said:
we only found out yesterday.

Hoiw verry strange...

they have an english site http://www.redbullmobile.com/
10/07/2009 at 13:05:27#90 - Maverick said:
Nakajima goes into the gravel

We all keep that one in the clipboard ready to paste
10/07/2009 at 13:05:34#91 - Amy said:
speaking of branded mobiles, I don't get why Vodafone haven't released a McLaren branded handset since 2007. I'd so buy one.
10/07/2009 at 13:05:44#92 - Iaian said:
Huh, Speed just confirmed from Bourdais's wife that today is his last day, and that Jaime Aguersuari is replacing him.
10/07/2009 at 13:05:59#93 - Amy said:
booo talking over Rob
10/07/2009 at 13:06:03#94 - Iaian said:
I meant last weekend.
10/07/2009 at 13:06:13#95 - Nick said:
They really need a way to cut holly's audio.
10/07/2009 at 13:06:21#96 - Rachel said:
Rob! 10 minutes of rain?
10/07/2009 at 13:06:24#97 - Steven Roy said:
Rob news

I don't know because they are talking over him
10/07/2009 at 13:06:24#98 - Christine said:
Huh, Speed just confirmed from Bourdais's wife that today is his last day, and that Jaime Aguersuari is replacing him.

Why would they let him in the car for just one day?
10/07/2009 at 13:06:41#99 - Alianora La Canta said:
Ooh. Nice big puddle.
10/07/2009 at 13:06:50#100 - me said:
did we mention the 5live pics yet:

http://twitpic.com/9vo7q
http://twitpic.com/9vo40
http://twitpic.com/9vo90
10/07/2009 at 13:07:27#101 - Iaian said:
Huh, Speed just confirmed from Bourdais's wife that today is his last day, and that Jaime Aguersuari is replacing him.

Why would they let him in the car for just one day?

I misspoke. I meant last weekend.
10/07/2009 at 13:07:35#102 - Journeyer said:
Huh, Speed just confirmed from Bourdais’s wife that today is his last day, and that Jaime Aguersuari is replacing him.

And this is, what, a day or two after her hubby denies it?
10/07/2009 at 13:07:41#103 - Maverick said:
Speed just confirmed from Bourdais’s wife that today is his last day

They'll let him complete the weekend surely?
10/07/2009 at 13:07:55#104 - Alex Andronov said:
Hoiw verry strange...

they have an english site http://www.redbullmobile.com/

Only 88.6% of people in Austria speak German
10/07/2009 at 13:07:58#105 - me said:
fisi broked it.
10/07/2009 at 13:08:00#106 - shindigthighslapper said:
no live streaming :(
10/07/2009 at 13:08:01#107 - Christine said:
I misspoke. I meant last weekend.

Gotcha. She'll be in trouble if that's true!
10/07/2009 at 13:08:21#108 - Amy said:
Gotcha. She'll be in trouble if that's true!

so if thats true, who gets to be third driver?
10/07/2009 at 13:08:50#109 - Amy said:
no live streaming :(

I posted a link at quarter to that gives you all the information you need. You just need to message the person who says 'message me for the password'
10/07/2009 at 13:08:51#110 - Maverick said:
And this is, what, a day or two after her hubby denies it?

Well now we know who wears the trousers in that relationship...
10/07/2009 at 13:08:59#111 - Christine said:
so if thats true, who gets to be third driver?

Maybe they'll get DC back in.
10/07/2009 at 13:09:03#112 - Nick said:
did we mention the 5live pics yet:

They are awesome... i love ants face.

And i suddenly have the need for some brawn tea...
10/07/2009 at 13:09:12#113 - Christine said:
http://drop.io...sset/donebrokedit-png
10/07/2009 at 13:09:35#114 - me said:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/donebrokedit-png

hehe.
10/07/2009 at 13:09:39#115 - Alianora La Canta said:
There's a piece of timing. I'd just posted on the Fisichella Forum that Giancarlo was on slick tyres on a track declared wet and that he'd better be careful... ...when he hit a kerb and crashed. I guess I was a bit late writing it...
10/07/2009 at 13:09:47#116 - Journeyer said:
so if thats true, who gets to be third driver?

Why on earth did Hartley leave the 3rd driver role? Or was he really pushed?
10/07/2009 at 13:10:00#117 - Christine said:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/donebrokedit-png

It's because I said he was the one to watch, isn't it?
10/07/2009 at 13:10:27#118 - Alianora La Canta said:
Huh, Speed just confirmed from Bourdais’s wife that today is his last day, and that Jaime Aguersuari is replacing him.

How does that work? Mid-weekend replacements are forbidden unless the entered driver is medically incapable of completing the weekend.
10/07/2009 at 13:10:34#119 - Amy said:
And i suddenly have the need for some brawn tea...

I used to make cups of tea for a living. I bet doing it in an F1 motorhome was a little more fun than in a hospital.
10/07/2009 at 13:10:34#120 - Nick said:
Actually.... I cant belive they let the brawn 3rd driver be a roving pitlane reporter!
10/07/2009 at 13:10:42#121 - Alex Andronov said:
Why on earth did Hartley leave the 3rd driver role? Or was he really pushed?

I say yes. He was a tester. The new guy was brought in to replace Bourd
10/07/2009 at 13:12:09#122 - me said:
Actually.... I cant belive they let the brawn 3rd driver be a roving pitlane reporter!

he's undercover. in his brawn jacket.
10/07/2009 at 13:12:34#123 - Journeyer said:
How does that work? Mid-weekend replacements are forbidden unless the entered driver is medically incapable of completing the weekend.

Keep reading, Alia. ;)
10/07/2009 at 13:12:39#124 - shindigthighslapper said:
sorry amy wot was the link
????
10/07/2009 at 13:13:31#125 - Steven Roy said:
if people bookmark http://www.justin.tv/networks/formulaone2009 it will have the information they need every single race.
10/07/2009 at 13:14:22#126 - Steven Roy said:
At least Alguersuari looks like a racing driver rather than a surfer
10/07/2009 at 13:14:23#127 - shindigthighslapper said:
nice!!!!
10/07/2009 at 13:14:57#128 - Nick said:
Seems silly to say hes leaving then give him one last race... what if he gets on the podium this weekend?
10/07/2009 at 13:15:28#129 - Steven Roy said:
Are the BBC deliberately trying to talk over team radios?
10/07/2009 at 13:15:36#130 - Alianora La Canta said:
Giancarlo has the third fastest speed trap time. Something tells me it'll be a while before he is demoted from that position - and that what he really needed was more stopping power.
10/07/2009 at 13:15:53#131 - me said:
Are the BBC deliberately trying to talk over team radios?

i think so!
10/07/2009 at 13:15:55#132 - Alianora La Canta said:
Nick Heidfeld has decided to go out on wets.
10/07/2009 at 13:16:05#133 - Journeyer said:
Seems silly to say hes leaving then give him one last race… what if he gets on the podium this weekend?

There's a reason why STR haven't officially announced it yet.
10/07/2009 at 13:16:13#134 - sam said:
ok here we go
http://www.justin.tv/ferrari_dragon_4
PW:
kers22
10/07/2009 at 13:16:16#135 - Christine said:
Are the BBC deliberately trying to talk over team radios?

I think I am glad I don't have audio by the sounds of it!
10/07/2009 at 13:16:18#136 - Steven Roy said:
Seems silly to say hes leaving then give him one last race... what if he gets on the podium this weekend?

It will probably be the cut off date for the perfomance clause in his contract.
10/07/2009 at 13:17:10#137 - Steven Roy said:
ok here we go
http://www.justin.tv/ferrari_dragon_4
PW:
kers22

Please don't post links or passwords. They just lead to the feed being taken down
10/07/2009 at 13:17:23#138 - me said:
It will probably be the cut off date for the perfomance clause in his contract.

ahh, interesting.
10/07/2009 at 13:17:41#139 - Alianora La Canta said:
Keep reading, Alia. ;)

Do they really think they'll be able to convince the FIA, given that they can't even convince the FIA to comply with the law yet?
10/07/2009 at 13:19:10#140 - Nick said:
Do they really think they'll be able to convince the FIA, given that they can't even convince the FIA to comply with the law yet?

They are allowed to change drivers mid season surely?

Otherwise a team might fire a driver and have to do all the remaining races with 1 driver?
10/07/2009 at 13:20:09#141 - Alex Andronov said:
They are allowed to change drivers mid season surely?

mid race weekend Alia said
10/07/2009 at 13:20:13#142 - Journeyer said:
Do they really think they’ll be able to convince the FIA, given that they can’t even convince the FIA to comply with the law yet?

What I meant is read on to this post:

I misspoke. I meant last weekend.
10/07/2009 at 13:20:17#143 - Alianora La Canta said:
They are allowed to change drivers mid season surely?

Mid-season, yes. Not mid-weekend.
10/07/2009 at 13:20:22#144 - me said:
bourdais returns and gets ray gunned for his troubles.
10/07/2009 at 13:20:43#145 - Steven Roy said:
That pit lane warning alarm sounds like a rejected Star Trek sound effect
10/07/2009 at 13:21:09#146 - Nick said:
Mid-season, yes. Not mid-weekend.

ah sorry missed that
10/07/2009 at 13:21:09#147 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Well I never. Live timing wasn't working so I downloaded Java (which I haven't done f'r'ages) and whattya know? It works.
10/07/2009 at 13:21:10#148 - Joe said:
Anyone got a link to FP for non-UK folks?
10/07/2009 at 13:21:11#149 - Alianora La Canta said:
Ooh! Pretty raindrops on green paint...
10/07/2009 at 13:21:18#150 - me said:
That pit lane warning alarm sounds like a rejected Star Trek sound effect

i used carry that noise around with me in my pocket. i think it was the blue button.
10/07/2009 at 13:21:37#151 - Amy said:
That pit lane warning alarm sounds like a rejected Star Trek sound effect

reminds me of the noise the course cars make after track sessions
10/07/2009 at 13:21:43#152 - Alianora La Canta said:
i used carry that noise around with me in my pocket. i think it was the blue button.

:D
10/07/2009 at 13:21:56#153 - Nick said:
Anyone got a link to FP for non-UK folks?

there are quite a lot in the thread, no idea if they work
10/07/2009 at 13:22:33#154 - Steven Roy said:
Anyone got a link to FP for non-UK folks?

It is mentioned a few comments ago. We try not to re-post it too often
10/07/2009 at 13:23:22#155 - sam said:
Please don’t post links or passwords. They just lead to the feed being taken down

sorry guys
10/07/2009 at 13:23:53#156 - me said:
is nico on slicks? just waltzed around buemi's inters.
10/07/2009 at 13:24:00#157 - Maverick said:
Doohickey keeps switching me to Daily or Free Practice 1 when I'm not looking
10/07/2009 at 13:24:25#158 - shindigthighslapper said:
sam you r the greatest yyyyyyeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss
10/07/2009 at 13:25:07#159 - Steven Roy said:
Doohickey keeps switching me to Daily or Free Practice 1 when I'm not looking

Use the lclt and you have control http://www.sid...t.com/livecommenting/
10/07/2009 at 13:25:17#160 - me said:
Doohickey keeps switching me to Daily or Free Practice 1 when I'm not looking

odd. that hasn't happened for ages.
10/07/2009 at 13:26:02#161 - Joe said:
Got it, thanks.
10/07/2009 at 13:27:06#162 - me said:
heikki's on the green stripes?
10/07/2009 at 13:27:21#163 - Iaian said:
What the. Heikki on super-softs?
10/07/2009 at 13:27:28#164 - Alianora La Canta said:
Look out for Rosberg!
10/07/2009 at 13:27:56#165 - Amy said:
heikki's on the green stripes?

I've given up trying to work out who is on what this year. I can never see the stripes.
10/07/2009 at 13:28:02#166 - me said:
heikki's on the green stripes?

and he's fast :)
10/07/2009 at 13:28:29#167 - me said:
I've given up trying to work out who is on what this year. I can never see the stripes.

quick, screen grab.
10/07/2009 at 13:28:42#168 - Amy said:
and he's fast :)

:D :D
10/07/2009 at 13:29:04#169 - me said:
nico has a wire to his visor today as well.
10/07/2009 at 13:29:15#170 - Amy said:
I dub thee Heikki "purple" Kovalainen
10/07/2009 at 13:29:27#171 - Nick said:
I've given up trying to work out who is on what this year. I can never see the stripes.

If Who is on What... who is Who on?
10/07/2009 at 13:29:42#172 - Steven Roy said:
nico has a wire to his visor today as well.

Everyone with a Schuberth helmet will have it
10/07/2009 at 13:29:46#173 - Nick said:
If Who is on What... who is Who on?

Who is What on?
10/07/2009 at 13:30:07#174 - Maverick said:
I’ve given up trying to work out who is on what this year. I can never see the stripes.

White stripes would have been easier to see AND 42 times less ugly
10/07/2009 at 13:30:18#175 - me said:
Everyone with a Schuberth helmet will have it

ahh ok. is it not new then?
10/07/2009 at 13:30:27#176 - me said:
White stripes would have been easier to see AND 42 times less ugly

seconded.
10/07/2009 at 13:31:14#177 - Nick said:
White stripes would have been easier to see AND 42 times less ugly

Painting the entire tyre wall would have been to sensible as well
10/07/2009 at 13:31:34#178 - Steven Roy said:
ahh ok. is it not new then?

No. We had a discussion on this a couple of weeks ago when the German Stig's helmet was discussed
10/07/2009 at 13:32:06#179 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Here they come!
10/07/2009 at 13:32:10#180 - Steven Roy said:
Painting the entire tyre wall would have been to sensible as well

That would require more than one marker pen though
10/07/2009 at 13:32:42#181 - me said:
No. We had a discussion on this a couple of weeks ago when the German Stig's helmet was discussed

missed that (didn't i?). good to know though.
10/07/2009 at 13:32:50#182 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
ok here we go

Please don't post the password! PM them and they'll happily provide it!

The reason for this is that it stops the feeds getting closed down...
10/07/2009 at 13:33:21#183 - Steven Roy said:
missed that (didn't i?). good to know though.

I thought you were involved in the discussion. The discussion was after the program
10/07/2009 at 13:33:47#184 - me said:
I thought you were involved in the discussion. The discussion was after the program

i probably was. life is kinda blurry.
10/07/2009 at 13:34:32#185 - me said:
who's talking to massa?
10/07/2009 at 13:34:53#186 - Steven Roy said:
Massa has problems with the fast shift on his gearbox. Someone other than Rob talking to him
10/07/2009 at 13:35:05#187 - Sean Golding said:
who's talking to massa?

Sounded Aussie.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:08#188 - Amy said:
who's talking to massa?

fakerobsmedley?
10/07/2009 at 13:35:08#189 - me said:
who's talking to massa?

wait... i didn't say that.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:18#190 - Sean Golding said:
Webber No 1.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:24#191 - Steven Roy said:
Sounded Aussie.

Chris Dyer?
10/07/2009 at 13:35:24#192 - James said:
Massa has problems with the fast shift on his gearbox. Someone other than Rob talking to him

Chris Dyer.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:29#193 - Nick said:
who's talking to massa?

That guy gets everywhere :P
10/07/2009 at 13:35:33#194 - me said:
Chris Dyer.

cheers.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:36#195 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Umm no that was Chris Dyer I believe.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:40#196 - me said:

Chris Dyer.

cheers.

but why?
10/07/2009 at 13:35:44#197 - Maverick said:
who’s talking to massa?

Not me, I still haven't forgiven him.
10/07/2009 at 13:35:49#198 - me said:
That guy gets everywhere :P

damnit!
10/07/2009 at 13:35:49#199 - Steven Roy said:
who's talking to massa?

wait... i didn't say that.

I refuse to take an easy shot
10/07/2009 at 13:36:05#200 - Neil said:
Rob was fired
10/07/2009 at 13:36:11#201 - Steven Roy said:
Chris Dyer.

That should have been Chris Dyer??
10/07/2009 at 13:36:20#202 - Neil said:
Some compromising photos with Glocks eng.
10/07/2009 at 13:37:05#203 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Umm no that was Chris Dyer I believe.

I wasn't being a smarty to you guys I was saying that to the commentator. :)
10/07/2009 at 13:38:02#204 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
Rob was fired

Fired? Really? Christine are you okay???
10/07/2009 at 13:38:36#205 - James said:
but why?

Dyer is the chief track engineer. ;)
10/07/2009 at 13:38:42#206 - Steven Roy said:
Rob was fired

He was in the pits during FP1
10/07/2009 at 13:39:34#207 - Alex Andronov said:
Rob was fired

I don't believe this
10/07/2009 at 13:39:42#208 - Christine said:
Fired? Really? Christine are you okay???

If he was fired, which he hasn't been, it would make more sense to ask him that question, wouldn't it?
10/07/2009 at 13:39:43#209 - James said:
Dyer is the chief track engineer. ;)

Or Team Manager according to Wikipedia.
10/07/2009 at 13:39:57#210 - Amy said:
Rob was fired

Don't worry, I knew you were kidding.
10/07/2009 at 13:40:41#211 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
If he was fired, which he hasn’t been, it would make more sense to ask him that question, wouldn’t it?

Apologies.
10/07/2009 at 13:41:04#212 - me said:
from brawn twitter:

"Hello fans! We are launching a race blog this week end.Stay tuned on the features section of the website!"

not quite as exciting as we'd hoped then.
10/07/2009 at 13:41:10#213 - Steven Roy said:
Frank Dernie texting five live??
10/07/2009 at 13:41:33#214 - me said:
Frank Dernie texting five live??

cool!
10/07/2009 at 13:41:39#215 - Nick said:
If he was fired, which he hasn't been, it would make more sense to ask him that question, wouldn't it?

Hypothetically... If he became PK's engineer would you support him?
10/07/2009 at 13:42:25#216 - Christine said:
Hypothetically... If he became PK's engineer would you support him?

I would support Rob, yes.
10/07/2009 at 13:42:33#217 - Dap said:
Hey all! I just got off work, and my F1 app can't seem to find its data. Anybody else in the same boat?
10/07/2009 at 13:42:37#218 - Steven Roy said:
Can we not set Ian Philips adrift in a boat with EJ?
10/07/2009 at 13:43:05#219 - me said:
Can we not set Ian Philips adrift in a boat with EJ?

he's less annoying than he was at silverstone.
10/07/2009 at 13:43:14#220 - Alex Andronov said:
Hypothetically... If he became PK's engineer would you support him?

Honestly at this stage I believe that if Rob became PK's engineer then PK would improve no end.
10/07/2009 at 13:43:36#221 - Christine said:
Honestly at this stage I believe that if Rob became PK's engineer then PK would improve no end.

I agree.
10/07/2009 at 13:43:42#222 - me said:
Hey all! I just got off work, and my F1 app can't seem to find its data. Anybody else in the same boat?

have thrown in the towel on mine. it was working though.
10/07/2009 at 13:43:52#223 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Can we not set Ian Philips adrift in a boat with EJ?

he's less annoying than he was at silverstone.

What's that man done said now?
10/07/2009 at 13:44:07#224 - Steven Roy said:
he's less annoying than he was at silverstone.

He is winding me up with the nonsense about the only time we ever had overtaking was when someone missed a shift with a manual gearbox. Complete cobblers
10/07/2009 at 13:44:35#225 - Alex Andronov said:
have thrown in the towel on mine. it was working though.

No longer a fan?
10/07/2009 at 13:44:44#226 - me said:
What's that man done said now?

he said a minute ago, all of f1's problems will be solved by a signing of the concorde agreement in a weeks time.
10/07/2009 at 13:45:04#227 - me said:
No longer a fan?

it crashes every ten minutes. i only have so much patience.
10/07/2009 at 13:45:08#228 - Steven Roy said:
Brawn don't have tyre temperature sensors on the car?
10/07/2009 at 13:45:41#229 - Alex Andronov said:
For those au fait with the SofaF1 pole Poll with all the rumours swirling about Bourdais does it surprise you that Jeremy random prediction generator has gone for Bourdais to win!

http://www.sof...ermany-pole-poll.html
10/07/2009 at 13:46:02#230 - Dap said:
it crashes every ten minutes. i only have so much patience.

it's all I've got on the train. And, well, you guys.
10/07/2009 at 13:46:38#231 - Iaian said:
Rubens, is saying he has no grip, team doesn't know why, so they're going to test different things out.
10/07/2009 at 13:47:00#232 - me said:
it's all I've got on the train. And, well, you guys.

just checked and it is working on mine.

you have to download an update for this race though, i think.
10/07/2009 at 13:47:13#233 - Nick said:
Brawn don't have tyre temperature sensors on the car?

Wouldnt that put the bridgestone men with the thermometers out of work?
10/07/2009 at 13:47:38#234 - Alex Andronov said:
it crashes every ten minutes. i only have so much patience.

Ah... It probably uses a lot of RAM. Did see an interesting stat the other day that while the new 3GS has double the RAM of the old model the important thing is how much space there is for Applications once the OS is loaded.

On the previous phone and touch the OS only left 40Mbs for applications. On the new one there is 150Mbs of space.
10/07/2009 at 13:47:38#235 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
What's that man done said now?

he said a minute ago, all of f1's problems will be solved by a signing of the concorde agreement in a weeks time.

Oh of course! Mr. "My team was with FOTA and now is an FIA turncoat buddy" thinks all the problems will just magic away with the signing of a piece of paper - because we know the FIA always keep their promises! ;)
10/07/2009 at 13:47:45#236 - Jeremy said:
For those au fait with the SofaF1 pole Poll with all the rumours swirling about Bourdais does it surprise you that Jeremy* random prediction generator has gone for Bourdais to win!

*Not affiliated with Go Lewis Enterpises
10/07/2009 at 13:48:17#237 - Alex Andronov said:
*Not affiliated with Go Lewis Enterpises

Yes sorry different Jeremy - whoops!
10/07/2009 at 13:48:27#238 - Dap said:
you have to download an update for this race though, i think.

Guess I'll wait for home, it's too big for mobile.
10/07/2009 at 13:48:30#239 - me said:
On the previous phone and touch the OS only left 40Mbs for applications. On the new one there is 150Mbs of space.

figures.
10/07/2009 at 13:49:03#240 - Alianora La Canta said:
Oh of course! Mr. "My team was with FOTA and now is an FIA turncoat buddy" thinks all the problems will just magic away with the signing of a piece of paper - because we know the FIA always keep their promises! ;)

Force India, being legally obliged to stick with the FIA no matter what, has to hope for the best (i.e. 13 teams in the FIA series with everyone behaving sensibly). Otherwise there's nothing it can do about it.
10/07/2009 at 13:50:36#241 - F1Wolf said:
Testing if this works from my phone from the bar
10/07/2009 at 13:50:39#242 - Maverick said:
Brawn don’t have tyre temperature sensors on the car?

Dan Gurney checking tyre deformation - who needs onboard telemetry:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2czen8h.jpg
10/07/2009 at 13:51:22#243 - Steven Roy said:
Dan Gurney checking tyre deformation - who needs onboard telemetry:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2czen8h.jpg

Proper engineering
10/07/2009 at 13:51:51#244 - Steven Roy said:
I can't believe the Heidfeld to McLaren rumours are back again.
10/07/2009 at 13:51:52#245 - Alianora La Canta said:
One of my dad's friends got me a fantastic F1 poster. It reads "Epic performance, legendary reliability".

What is depicted on the poster? A 2008 Honda!
10/07/2009 at 13:52:23#246 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Force India, being legally obliged to stick with the FIA no matter what, has to hope for the best (i.e. 13 teams in the FIA series with everyone behaving sensibly). Otherwise there's nothing it can do about it.

Sorry, there's nothing more legally obliging for FIF1 than there is for the other teams IMO. I've heard Vijay and Ian's reasonings and while they sound good, in reality their position is no different to the other teams. They just have less money and must have been told (as with Williams) that they would get an advance if they sided with the FIA.
10/07/2009 at 13:53:06#247 - Maverick said:
How many times is the BBC going to mention kangaroo tv today?
10/07/2009 at 13:53:36#248 - Journeyer said:
I can’t believe the Heidfeld to McLaren rumours are back again.

That's so 2001...
10/07/2009 at 13:53:53#249 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
One of my dad's friends got me a fantastic F1 poster. It reads "Epic performance, legendary reliability".
What is depicted on the poster? A 2008 Honda!

Epically bad performance, legendary poor reliability?
10/07/2009 at 13:54:21#250 - Alianora La Canta said:
Adrian's come in second! :D
10/07/2009 at 13:54:29#251 - Nick said:
How many times is the BBC going to mention kangaroo tv today?

Technically they work for kangaroo just as much as they do the bbc
10/07/2009 at 13:54:32#252 - Journeyer said:
How many times is the BBC going to mention kangaroo tv today?

5Live is aired on Kangaroo.tv, so it makes sense for them to mention it.
10/07/2009 at 13:54:34#253 - me said:
button goes quickest on super-softs.
10/07/2009 at 13:54:36#254 - F1Wolf said:
Well doohickey works perfect, so I will stay tuned in for the rest of practice :-)
10/07/2009 at 13:54:45#255 - Rocket (in Canberra) said:
MW's sector times look....ummm, wrong.
10/07/2009 at 13:55:11#256 - me said:
Well doohickey works perfect, so I will stay tuned in for the rest of practice :-)

hey sir. have you lost video again?
10/07/2009 at 13:55:17#257 - Journeyer said:
One of my dad’s friends got me a fantastic F1 poster. It reads “Epic performance, legendary reliability”.
What is depicted on the poster? A 2008 Honda!

They're off by a year. ;)
10/07/2009 at 13:55:34#258 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
How many times is the BBC going to mention kangaroo tv today?

Radio Le Mans mention it a lot too. Hey, if they pay for your services...
10/07/2009 at 13:55:52#259 - Steven Roy said:
Ian Philips wants to re-write the laws of physics so that smaller drivers don't have an advantage.
10/07/2009 at 13:56:20#260 - Alianora La Canta said:
Sorry, there's nothing more legally obliging for FIF1 than there is for the other teams IMO. I've heard Vijay and Ian's reasonings and while they sound good, in reality their position is no different to the other teams. They just have less money and must have been told (as with Williams) that they would get an advance if they sided with the FIA.

There is. Jordan, along with Williams and Ferrari, signed the 2005 agreement that compels them to be in F1 until 2012. A French court has confirmed its validity (albeit with Ferrari's, but Force India signed the same agreement except that it has no technical veto).

They were told they'd get an advance - but that was the 2005 advance, nothing to do with any advance that may or may not be forthcoming in 2009.
10/07/2009 at 13:56:30#261 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Dan Gurney checking tyre deformation - who needs onboard telemetry:
http://i26.tinypic.com/2czen8h.jpg

Proper engineering

Proper Driver!
10/07/2009 at 13:56:38#262 - Rachel said:
Did Crofty just say Honda?
10/07/2009 at 13:56:59#263 - F1Wolf said:
Haven't lost video but went for Friday beers :-)
10/07/2009 at 13:57:49#264 - me said:
Haven't lost video but went for Friday beers :-)

hehe. good plan.
10/07/2009 at 13:58:09#265 - Neil said:
wow FOM must be hot on the heels of those nasty pirates watching FP live on the Internets.
10/07/2009 at 13:58:20#266 - Neil said:
Anyone got another feed?
10/07/2009 at 13:58:22#267 - Amy said:
I wanted Force India to get points one day but the more I hear this guy, the more I hope it never happens.
10/07/2009 at 13:58:32#268 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
There is. Jordan, along with Williams and Ferrari, signed the 2005 agreement that compels them to be in F1 until 2012. A French court has confirmed its validity (albeit with Ferrari's, but Force India signed the same agreement except that it has no technical veto).

Fine, but how come Ferrari think they can back out of it then, and what happens now there is a new CA in the works?

They were told they'd get an advance - but that was the 2005 advance, nothing to do with any advance that may or may not be forthcoming in 2009.

We are assuming all has been made public here - considering the backroom deals made with Ferrari I would not be surprised if some more came out in future with Williams and FIF1...
10/07/2009 at 13:58:55#269 - Alianora La Canta said:
Ian Philips wants to re-write the laws of physics so that smaller drivers don't have an advantage.

To be fair, there's natural disadvantage and imposing an articificial disadvantage. If there was a minimum weight for the driver/seat combination (while maintaining a minimum car limit), the KERS problem would be easily solved.
10/07/2009 at 13:59:10#270 - me said:
liuzzi is barred from gp2?
10/07/2009 at 13:59:33#271 - me said:
rob's back.
10/07/2009 at 14:00:00#272 - Steven Roy said:
To be fair, there's natural disadvantage and imposing an articificial disadvantage. If there was a minimum weight for the driver/seat combination (while maintaining a minimum car limit), the KERS problem would be easily solved.

The smaller driver still has an advantage in the space he takes up and his centre of gravity
10/07/2009 at 14:00:12#273 - me said:
super slow-mo show a lot of lateral movement on massa's front wing.
10/07/2009 at 14:00:14#274 - James said:
rob's back.

:D
10/07/2009 at 14:00:14#275 - Steven Roy said:
That sounded like Rob on the radio to me
10/07/2009 at 14:00:39#276 - Alex Andronov said:
super slow-mo show a lot of lateral movement on massa's front wing.

lateral inertia?
10/07/2009 at 14:00:50#277 - Alianora La Canta said:
liuzzi is barred from gp2?

All reserve drivers are barred from GP2.
10/07/2009 at 14:01:04#278 - me said:
lateral inertia?

i'd say flexible wing.
10/07/2009 at 14:01:06#279 - Alex Andronov said:
rob's back.

once again like the renegade master?
10/07/2009 at 14:01:33#280 - Alianora La Canta said:
The smaller driver still has an advantage in the space he takes up and his centre of gravity

That's the natural advantage. At least it gets rid of the major artificial advantage KERS creates.
10/07/2009 at 14:01:43#281 - Nick said:
prickily ant...
10/07/2009 at 14:01:56#282 - Steven Roy said:
That is the dumbest question ever. Teams should fund reserve drivers in GP2 so that there are experienced drivers available. There is already a grid of drivers in GP2 who have that experience.
10/07/2009 at 14:01:58#283 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
liuzzi is barred from gp2?

All reserve drivers are barred from GP2.

What a waste of time - you can't test, you can't race? Just smile and flick your hair for the camera?
10/07/2009 at 14:02:05#284 - me said:
once again like the renegade master?

power to the people
10/07/2009 at 14:02:28#285 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
once again like the renegade master?

power to the people

With the ill behaviour?
10/07/2009 at 14:02:49#286 - me said:
What a waste of time - you can't test, you can't race? Just smile and flick your hair for the camera?

didn't work for hartley.
10/07/2009 at 14:02:54#287 - Nick said:
That is the dumbest question ever. Teams should fund reserve drivers in GP2 so that there are experienced drivers available. There is already a grid of drivers in GP2 who have that experience.

Who arent allowed to take part in F1...
10/07/2009 at 14:02:56#288 - Alex Andronov said:
With the ill behaviour?

With the ill behaviour.
10/07/2009 at 14:03:39#289 - Alianora La Canta said:
What a waste of time - you can't test, you can't race? Just smile and flick your hair for the camera?

To be fair, Tonio did do Speedcar and A1GP. Still, it is a bit ridiculous that test drivers can't test (except in a straight line or on a constant radius circuit).
10/07/2009 at 14:03:55#290 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
didn't work for hartley.

The hair? He makes Rosberg jealous!
10/07/2009 at 14:03:56#291 - Steven Roy said:
That's the natural advantage. At least it gets rid of the major artificial advantage KERS creates.

The problem is not really KERS it is tyres. The cars are well under weight anyway so the weight of KERS doesn't matter. The only reason that it is an issue this year is the front tyres are stupidly wide compared to the rears so a lot of weight hasto be moved forward.
10/07/2009 at 14:04:04#292 - Alex Andronov said:
We seem to have forgotten the D4 damager - whoops.

We better not forget about Dre or there really will be trouble.
10/07/2009 at 14:04:15#293 - Alex Andronov said:
The hair? He makes Rosberg jealous!

And Bassano ;)
10/07/2009 at 14:05:03#294 - Alianora La Canta said:
Look out for Vettel!
10/07/2009 at 14:06:02#295 - Alianora La Canta said:
The problem is not really KERS it is tyres. The cars are well under weight anyway so the weight of KERS doesn't matter. The only reason that it is an issue this year is the front tyres are stupidly wide compared to the rears so a lot of weight hasto be moved forward.

That's quite strange given that Ian Phillips has just been telling us the base weight of the Force India is only about 535kg...
10/07/2009 at 14:06:09#296 - Maverick said:
To be fair, there’s natural disadvantage and imposing an articificial disadvantage. If there was a minimum weight for the driver/seat combination (while maintaining a minimum car limit), the KERS problem would be easily solved.

You just put ballast on the bottom of the seat instead of where they usually put it - under the seat.
10/07/2009 at 14:06:11#297 - Dap said:
The problem is not really KERS it is tyres. The cars are well under weight anyway so the weight of KERS doesn't matter. The only reason that it is an issue this year is the front tyres are stupidly wide compared to the rears so a lot of weight hasto be moved forward.

bridgestone already tested narrower spec fronts, did the not?
10/07/2009 at 14:06:49#298 - Steven Roy said:
That's quite strange given that Ian Phillips has just been telling us the base weight of the Force India is only about 535kg...

All of the car have been massively underweight for years
10/07/2009 at 14:06:57#299 - Nick said:
That's quite strange given that Ian Phillips has just been telling us the base weight of the Force India is only about 535kg...

You dont know how much of that is fixed ballast
10/07/2009 at 14:06:59#300 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
bridgestone already tested narrower spec fronts, did the not?

Are they in for 2010 now the rules have been repealed though?
10/07/2009 at 14:07:14#301 - me said:
bridgestone already tested narrower spec fronts, did the not?

yup.
10/07/2009 at 14:07:47#302 - me said:
Are they in for 2010 now the rules have been repealed though?

who the chuff knows?
10/07/2009 at 14:08:02#303 - Steven Roy said:
bridgestone already tested narrower spec fronts, did the not?

They wanted to but they are not allowed to because of the testing ban. So teams have to design cars for tyres that Bridgestone cab't give them specs for. That is really going to work well
10/07/2009 at 14:08:28#304 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Are they in for 2010 now the rules have been repealed though?

who the chuff knows?

Exactly :(
10/07/2009 at 14:08:37#305 - Steven Roy said:
Are they in for 2010 now the rules have been repealed though?

Who knows
10/07/2009 at 14:08:52#306 - Alianora La Canta said:
All of the car have been massively underweight for years

Well theirs apparently isn't. Why else are they in a situation where they were considering running it on one car and not the other?
10/07/2009 at 14:08:58#307 - Jeremy said:
who the chuff knows?

is that a nickname? :P
10/07/2009 at 14:09:15#308 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Are they in for 2010 now the rules have been repealed though?

Who knows

I liked Mr. C's answer better ;)
10/07/2009 at 14:09:18#309 - Alianora La Canta said:
You dont know how much of that is fixed ballast

The way that car is performing? Not much...
10/07/2009 at 14:09:18#310 - Dap said:
who the chuff knows?

I'll consult the scriptures, there must be something in Revelations.
10/07/2009 at 14:09:44#311 - me said:
I'll consult the scriptures, there must be something in Revelations.

:P
10/07/2009 at 14:09:54#312 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
All of the car have been massively underweight for years

Well theirs apparently isn't. Why else are they in a situation where they were considering running it on one car and not the other?

Assuming Mr. Phillips isn't telling porkies! Do you think he'd reveal something like that?
10/07/2009 at 14:09:57#313 - Alianora La Canta said:
Rain coming again!
10/07/2009 at 14:10:06#314 - me said:
rain with 20mins remaining.
10/07/2009 at 14:11:54#315 - Steven Roy said:
Philips you moron. Danica's earning power has nothing to do with her results
10/07/2009 at 14:12:05#316 - Alianora La Canta said:
Assuming Mr. Phillips isn't telling porkies! Do you think he'd reveal something like that?

Given that the information he gave wasn't especially flattering, I think he'd have to be telling the truth. What commercial director is going to deliberately say worse stuff about their team than is actually the case?
10/07/2009 at 14:12:10#317 - Maverick said:
I’ll consult the scriptures, there must be something in Revelations.

He shall rule them with a rod of iron.
Revelation, 2. 27

Mmmhhh... doesn't look like Max will be removed that easily then
10/07/2009 at 14:12:33#318 - Nick said:
Philips you moron. Danica's earning power has nothing to do with her results

She could run Kers...
10/07/2009 at 14:12:42#319 - Alianora La Canta said:
Philips you moron. Danica's earning power has nothing to do with her results

It does. Her earning power is higher in America than Europe because the results needed to get the same money in Europe are much higher ;)
10/07/2009 at 14:12:55#320 - me said:
Philips you moron. Danica's earning power has nothing to do with her results

i dunno, he has a point. f1 doesn't have the marketing sense to know what to do with her. she'll make much more money in the US.
10/07/2009 at 14:13:05#321 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Given that the information he gave wasn't especially flattering, I think he'd have to be telling the truth. What commercial director is going to deliberately say worse stuff about their team than is actually the case?

Dunno, but Schumi used to always play down his chances didn't he?
10/07/2009 at 14:14:13#322 - me said:
good lord, the toyota wing moves around like clown car.
10/07/2009 at 14:14:19#323 - Alianora La Canta said:
I think Timo Glock's got a damaged front wing. Either that or there's a legality issue..
10/07/2009 at 14:14:19#324 - Journeyer said:
Philips you moron. Danica’s earning power has nothing to do with her results

At least Philips isn't sexist - he's just naive...
10/07/2009 at 14:14:24#325 - Steven Roy said:
That endplate must be stalling if it is closing the gap that much
10/07/2009 at 14:14:33#326 - Nick said:
good lord, the toyota wing moves around like clown car.

:D
10/07/2009 at 14:14:40#327 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Given that the information he gave wasn't especially flattering, I think he'd have to be telling the truth. What commercial director is going to deliberately say worse stuff about their team than is actually the case?

Also, he's playing to fans like you Alia. He knows that people follow FIF1 as 'the underdog' so by playing down their chances, they become 'that plucky small team that everyone likes' when they get something out of it...
10/07/2009 at 14:14:54#328 - me said:
force india are barring employees from the factory during the break?
10/07/2009 at 14:15:22#329 - Nick said:
i dunno, he has a point. f1 doesn't have the marketing sense to know what to do with her. she'll make much more money in the US.

I have no idea how much she is earning, but i can imagine she is earning more than F1 drivers with the sponsor she currently has
10/07/2009 at 14:15:40#330 - Dap said:
Well given what Jenson had to say about her years back, perhaps it's a non-issue. She's not a good fit, shall we say?
10/07/2009 at 14:15:48#331 - Alianora La Canta said:
Dunno, but Schumi used to always play down his chances didn't he?

Not by telling porkies against himself though. Either he'd say it was going to be tough (because he was thinking relative to his own performances, not relative to the grid) or he'd up-play his rivals. He wouldn't say he was going to be slow.
10/07/2009 at 14:16:10#332 - Bassano "The Godf... said:
Bonjour!
10/07/2009 at 14:16:12#333 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Philips you moron. Danica's earning power has nothing to do with her results

It does. Her earning power is higher in America than Europe because the results needed to get the same money in Europe are much higher ;)

That is true. There is more prize money on offer - especially in NASCAR. I'll bet Montoya earns more than he did in F1 and he's ... midfield at best...
10/07/2009 at 14:16:33#334 - Nick said:
Also, he's playing to fans like you Alia. He knows that people follow FIF1 as 'the underdog' so by playing down their chances, they become 'that plucky small team that everyone likes' when they get something out of it...

They arent the most fan friendly plucky team...

I dont feel for them the same way i have supported small teams in the past
10/07/2009 at 14:16:40#335 - Alex Andronov said:
Bonjour!

'ello! I was just talking about you ;)
10/07/2009 at 14:16:40#336 - Maverick said:
good lord, the toyota wing moves around like clown car.

Ferrari's was flexing so much in preseason testing they broke it on the kerbs - would love to see it in super slo mo
10/07/2009 at 14:16:45#337 - me said:
Bonjour!

you made it!
10/07/2009 at 14:16:50#338 - Alex Andronov said:
Bonjour!

ca va?
10/07/2009 at 14:17:24#339 - Nick said:
Bonjour!

You didnt get sucked into the Bermuda triangle then...

Do you have FP2?
10/07/2009 at 14:17:32#340 - Journeyer said:
f1 doesn’t have the marketing sense to know what to do with her. she’ll make much more money in the US.

really? last i checked, kimi was making more money than danica. that said, kimi's gotten better results. but still...
10/07/2009 at 14:17:55#341 - Bassano "The Godf... said:
ca va?

oui, ca va?

Brekkie's arrived. Back soon
10/07/2009 at 14:17:56#342 - Alianora La Canta said:
Also, he's playing to fans like you Alia. He knows that people follow FIF1 as 'the underdog' so by playing down their chances, they become 'that plucky small team that everyone likes' when they get something out of it...

They weren't playing down their chances though - they were explaining why they are one of several teams who have one driver more suited to KERS than the other.
10/07/2009 at 14:18:08#343 - Alianora La Canta said:
Anyway, I'm off to the wedding. Have fun over here!
10/07/2009 at 14:18:25#344 - Amy said:
really? last i checked, kimi was making more money than danica. that said, kimi's gotten better results. but still...

kimis salary isn't quite grid average though :D
10/07/2009 at 14:18:26#345 - me said:
really? last i checked, kimi was making more money than danica. that said, kimi's gotten better results. but still...

he gets paid way too much money. no-one will make that mistake twice.
10/07/2009 at 14:18:36#346 - Nick said:
That is true. There is more prize money on offer - especially in NASCAR. I'll bet Montoya earns more than he did in F1 and he's ... midfield at best...

No way.. the drivers get paid mainly though their merchandising... and i dont see a plethoura of Juan the man Nascar fans...
10/07/2009 at 14:18:36#347 - Steven Roy said:
Anyway, I'm off to the wedding. Have fun over here!

Enjoy the say Alianora
10/07/2009 at 14:18:44#348 - me said:
Anyway, I'm off to the wedding. Have fun over here!

bye alia.
10/07/2009 at 14:18:49#349 - Alex Andronov said:
oui, ca va?

ca va bien merci et vu?
10/07/2009 at 14:19:02#350 - Iaian said:
Those are some mighty dark clouds near the circuit.
10/07/2009 at 14:19:02#351 - Steven Roy said:
Enjoy the say Alianora

day not say
10/07/2009 at 14:19:26#352 - Journeyer said:
That is true. There is more prize money on offer – especially in NASCAR. I’ll bet Montoya earns more than he did in F1 and he’s … midfield at best…

There may be more prize money on offer, but are their salaries close to the ones they hand out in F1? Not so sure on that count.
10/07/2009 at 14:19:33#353 - Steven Roy said:
ca va bien merci et vu?

I think that should be vous not vu. Vu is seen
10/07/2009 at 14:19:34#354 - Nick said:
Anyway, I'm off to the wedding. Have fun over here!

Have a good day...

...dont object!
10/07/2009 at 14:19:43#355 - Alex Andronov said:
Enjoy the say

-ing of the vows
10/07/2009 at 14:20:22#356 - me said:
lewis spin?
10/07/2009 at 14:20:28#357 - Steven Roy said:
Lewis off
10/07/2009 at 14:20:31#358 - Journeyer said:
he gets paid way too much money. no-one will make that mistake twice.

Should be interesting to find out how much Ferrari would pay Alonso (or Vettel, for that matter).
10/07/2009 at 14:20:38#359 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Also, he's playing to fans like you Alia. He knows that people follow FIF1 as 'the underdog' so by playing down their chances, they become 'that plucky small team that everyone likes' when they get something out of it...

They weren't playing down their chances though - they were explaining why they are one of several teams who have one driver more suited to KERS than the other.

Oh ok - apologies then. I can't listen to what he said here, so I was just guessing.
10/07/2009 at 14:20:41#360 - Alex Andronov said:
I think that should be vous not vu. Vu is seen

vous. Oui. Cest Vrai!

Un petit peu
10/07/2009 at 14:20:44#361 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Anyway, I'm off to the wedding. Have fun over here!

Enjoy!
10/07/2009 at 14:22:27#362 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
That is true. There is more prize money on offer – especially in NASCAR. I’ll bet Montoya earns more than he did in F1 and he’s … midfield at best…

There may be more prize money on offer, but are their salaries close to the ones they hand out in F1? Not so sure on that count.

Dunno off-hand, but if you listen to Midweek Motorsport and 'The race for the chase for the cup for the thing', the top 12 drivers in NASCAR are in the Millions already and it's only midseason...
10/07/2009 at 14:22:50#363 - Nick said:
Should be interesting to find out how much Ferrari would pay Alonso (or Vettel, for that matter).

£30 mil seems to be the new standard
10/07/2009 at 14:23:03#364 - Amy said:
Un petit peu

lo siento, no entiendo
10/07/2009 at 14:23:21#365 - Steven Roy said:
Slow in fast ou
10/07/2009 at 14:23:25#366 - Steven Roy said:
out
10/07/2009 at 14:23:32#367 - Maverick said:
[Danica] is at the height of her earning power..."

I don't know, plastic surgery can keep her going
10/07/2009 at 14:23:43#368 - Nick said:
Ooh.. a line comparison that made vettel look bad.

That guys gonna get fired...
10/07/2009 at 14:23:48#369 - Alex Andronov said:
lo siento, no entiendo

Spreken ze English?
10/07/2009 at 14:23:54#370 - me said:
those mcalren upgrades really look to be working.
10/07/2009 at 14:24:38#371 - pp said:
Hi all!
Anyone with a proper stream on here?
10/07/2009 at 14:24:47#372 - Jeremy said:
those mcalren upgrades really look to be working.

Thank G.. I mean Yay!
10/07/2009 at 14:24:57#373 - Dap said:
Drat, it won't let me type Japanese
10/07/2009 at 14:26:01#374 - Amy said:
Thank G.. I mean Yay!

what good mercedes pr ;)
10/07/2009 at 14:26:37#375 - Journeyer said:
those mclaren upgrades really look to be working.

don't they usually look good on friday, only to slip backwards on saturday?
10/07/2009 at 14:26:39#376 - me said:
alonso sitting out the last dash.
10/07/2009 at 14:27:47#377 - Amy said:
hmm looks like FR team FP2 are going to need a lot of changes.
10/07/2009 at 14:27:48#378 - me said:
don't they usually look good on friday, only to slip backwards on saturday?

yeah, the have in the past. the bodywork looks burnt to pieces at the rear!
10/07/2009 at 14:28:18#379 - Jeremy said:
don't they usually look good on friday, only to slip backwards on saturday?

unfortunately yes. I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
10/07/2009 at 14:30:47#380 - Nick said:
poor button... go the Lewham
10/07/2009 at 14:31:21#381 - Dap said:
I just love the Lewis - Kovie spread. Who's the better indicator?
10/07/2009 at 14:31:52#382 - me said:
nice one. cheers everyone for joining in today.

we'll be back later with plenty of podcasting goodness.
10/07/2009 at 14:32:10#383 - Nick said:
PK twittering from the track...
10/07/2009 at 14:32:11#384 - me said:
piquet broke it.
10/07/2009 at 14:32:15#385 - Iaian said:
Piquet remembered to go off.
10/07/2009 at 14:32:19#386 - me said:
PK twittering from the track...

:)
10/07/2009 at 14:32:20#387 - Steven Roy said:
I just love the Lewis - Kovie spread. Who's the better indicator?

Lewis has a new wing, new bodywork and a new floor with the new clever diffuser and Heikki has no new toys
10/07/2009 at 14:32:51#388 - Jeremy said:
nice one. cheers everyone for joining in today.

Until tomorrow folks. :-)
10/07/2009 at 14:32:56#389 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Lewis has a new wing, new bodywork and a new floor with the new clever diffuser and Heikki has no new toys

#SorryAmy?
10/07/2009 at 14:33:39#390 - Journeyer said:
poor button… go the Lewham

3rd place 4 hundredths behind Vettel isn't poor.
10/07/2009 at 14:34:02#391 - Dap said:
Lewis has a new wing, new bodywork and a new floor with the new clever diffuser and Heikki has no new toys

Is all that good for a second and a half? Or are they just running Lewis on fumes?
10/07/2009 at 14:34:37#392 - Maverick said:
Ari Vatanen has confirmed that he will run for the presidency
10/07/2009 at 14:34:45#393 - Steven Roy said:
Is all that good for a second and a half? Or are they just running Lewis on fumes?

Who knows. Lewis didn't look especially happy
10/07/2009 at 14:34:47#394 - Nick said:
Renault engine having electrical troubles...

Will be something to watch for on Sunday
10/07/2009 at 14:34:49#395 - Amy said:
Is all that good for a second and a half? Or are they just running Lewis on fumes?

I reckon he was on fumes to top the times at Mercedes home race at least once.
10/07/2009 at 14:34:59#396 - Steven Roy said:
Ari Vatanen has confirmed that he will run for the presidency

Go Ari !!!!!!!!
10/07/2009 at 14:35:38#397 - Dap said:
Ari Vatanen has confirmed that he will run for the presidency

How long until you can buy the campaign T-shirt?
10/07/2009 at 14:35:42#398 - Amy said:
Hamilton was paying $34 to top FP2. Should've put a $10 punt on him and gone home $330 richer :D
10/07/2009 at 14:36:10#399 - Nick said:
I reckon he was on fumes to top the times at Mercedes home race at least once.

Maybe, but the Beemers and other germanic drivers probably all did the same
10/07/2009 at 14:36:34#400 - Steven Roy said:
Ari is standing due to requests from many FIA member clubs. I love that line

http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/76819
10/07/2009 at 14:36:36#401 - Dap said:
Maybe, but the Beemers and other germanic drivers probably all did the same

Save that Brawn actually have a chance of winning something.
10/07/2009 at 14:36:50#402 - Nick said:
Ari Vatanen has confirmed that he will run for the presidency

Is Todt his Deputy?
10/07/2009 at 14:37:07#403 - Iaian said:
See you all tomorrow.
10/07/2009 at 14:38:01#404 - Steven Roy said:
I wonder if there is some rule about major announcement being made on the Friday of a GP weekend.
10/07/2009 at 14:38:43#405 - Maverick said:
Is Todt his Deputy?

Someone has to spoil the excitement don't they? :-)
10/07/2009 at 14:39:18#406 - Steven Roy said:
Is Todt his Deputy?

Owing to Max's insane rules he has to name the 22 members of his cabinet before the election. It will be interesting to see how many of the incumbents will stand by Max and how many will stab him in the back and jump to Vatanen's side.
10/07/2009 at 14:40:47#407 - Nick said:
Someone has to spoil the excitement don't they? :-)

Untill i see something to get excited about...

Whats the old saying... Better the devil you know...
10/07/2009 at 14:41:20#408 - Maverick said:
Owing to Max’s insane rules he has to name the 22 members of his cabinet before the election. It will be interesting to see how many of the incumbents will stand by Max and how many will stab him in the back and jump to Vatanen’s side.

If Vatanen submits his 22 first is it Max who has to go away and make the changes? (Well, ignoring the fact that Max would probably fiddle with the mail)
10/07/2009 at 14:41:41#409 - Amy said:
Whats the old saying... Better the devil you know...

but...but....but.....HE'S FINNISH
10/07/2009 at 14:41:47#410 - Journeyer said:
Untill i see something to get excited about…
Whats the old saying… Better the devil you know…

You're not excited about change? Change is coming to the FIA! :)
10/07/2009 at 14:42:12#411 - Steven Roy said:
Whats the old saying... Better the devil you know...

That doesn't make any sense in this case.
10/07/2009 at 14:43:01#412 - Maverick said:
Whats the old saying… Better the devil you know…

It takes them a few years to turn into devils, Max was a welcome change. They should be limited to two terms.
10/07/2009 at 14:43:19#413 - Steven Roy said:
You're not excited about change? Change is coming to the FIA! :)

I remember being excited when Max won because it meant the end of Balestre. Of course max wasn't Finnish and Ari is not in Bernie's pocket
10/07/2009 at 14:43:21#414 - Nick said:
That doesn't make any sense in this case.

Probably... But if todt gets put in charge of f1... the spot will die
10/07/2009 at 14:43:43#415 - Journeyer said:
It takes them a few years to turn into devils, Max was a welcome change. They should be limited to two terms.

They were... until Max got the rule changed...
10/07/2009 at 14:45:13#416 - Journeyer said:
Probably… But if todt gets put in charge of f1… the spot will die

I'm completely unconvinced Todt will get a look in a Vatanen presidency. For all we know, it might be Todt running against Vatanen rather than Mosley.
10/07/2009 at 14:45:45#417 - Steven Roy said:
Probably... But if todt gets put in charge of f1... the spot will die

Todt won't be anywhere near Ari's cabinet. He is tainted goods thanks to Max
10/07/2009 at 14:46:23#418 - Maverick said:
They were… until Max got the rule changed…

How did Max fail to get a rule about candidates having to have the written permission of the incumbent president as well?
10/07/2009 at 14:46:29#419 - Journeyer said:
Todt won’t be anywhere near Ari’s cabinet. He is tainted goods thanks to Max

Agreed.
10/07/2009 at 14:47:13#420 - Journeyer said:
How did Max fail to get a rule about candidates having to have the written permission of the incumbent president as well?

I think Max knew what he could and couldn't get away with.
10/07/2009 at 14:49:24#421 - Maverick said:
Todt won’t be anywhere near Ari’s cabinet. He is tainted goods thanks to Max

Todt doesn't want to only be deputy.
10/07/2009 at 14:51:52#422 - Alex Andronov said:
Is it just me or does he, in that Autosport picture, look quite a bit like Max?

Maybe Max has cloned himself?
10/07/2009 at 14:55:10#423 - Nick said:
Is it just me or does he, in that Autosport picture, look quite a bit like Max?

Scary!
10/07/2009 at 14:55:52#424 - Dap said:
Well, that's enough for me. Wife will be home soon - don't need the earful. See ya tomorrow!
10/07/2009 at 14:56:33#425 - Steven Roy said:
Is it just me or does he, in that Autosport picture, look quite a bit like Max?

There is a similarity.
10/07/2009 at 14:58:34#426 - Maverick said:
Is it just me or does he, in that Autosport picture, look quite a bit like Max?

Has anybody ever seen both of them in the same room???
10/07/2009 at 15:04:46#427 - Alex Andronov said:
Steven...

Do you own this yet?

http://www.ama...1247233195&sr=8-1
10/07/2009 at 15:05:38#428 - Steven Roy said:
Glock's race engineer has left the team. Looks like we are in for a big technical shuffle round the teams
http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/76820
10/07/2009 at 15:06:57#429 - Steven Roy said:
Do you own this yet?

If I buy a luna module I will hire a mechanic to look after it.
10/07/2009 at 15:07:07#430 - Steven Roy said:
lunar.
10/07/2009 at 15:07:17#431 - Maverick said:
Do you own this yet?

It would have been more useful for Apollo 13 owners
10/07/2009 at 15:07:21#432 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Steven...
Do you own this yet?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apollo-11-Manual-Insight-Hardware/dp/1844256839/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247233195&sr=8-1

I'm currently 3 episodes in to 'From the Earth to the Moon' on DVD - plan to watch no.6 around July 21st...
10/07/2009 at 15:08:33#433 - Nick said:
Glock's race engineer has left the team. Looks like we are in for a big technical shuffle round the teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76820

Are you legaly obliged to have a garden to go on gardening leave, or do you think you could get away with an allotment?
10/07/2009 at 15:09:07#434 - Steven Roy said:
I'm currently 3 episodes in to 'From the Earth to the Moon' on DVD - plan to watch no.6 around July 21st...

Don't know if this lot are geolocked. http://www.bbc...nlandings/index.shtml
10/07/2009 at 15:10:39#435 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
I'm currently 3 episodes in to 'From the Earth to the Moon' on DVD - plan to watch no.6 around July 21st...

Don't know if this lot are geolocked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/moonlandings/index.shtml

Of course it is. One day, BBC, Vengeance shall be mine!!!
10/07/2009 at 15:13:58#436 - Maverick said:
More importantly than Todt, I wonder what favours he can do his old mate Dave Richards
10/07/2009 at 15:14:58#437 - Maverick said:
More importantly than Todt, I wonder what favours he can do his old mate Dave Richards

Ari Vatenen that is
10/07/2009 at 15:18:34#438 - Maverick said:
Positive thinking from ClubForce on Twitter

"Good opening day for Force India. Fisi 5th quickest in the morning and Adrian 6th in the afternoon."

Ignore the 20th and 20th :-)
10/07/2009 at 15:23:41#439 - Sean Golding said:
Aussie in the lead!
10/07/2009 at 19:02:12#440 - Nick said:
Apparently PK's job is on the rocks as well..
http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/76847

I wonder if he should be trying to make sure he finishes in front of alonso or behind him? :P
10/07/2009 at 19:30:33#441 - Lukeh said:
*waves*

evening
11/07/2009 at 09:26:03#442 - Alianora La Canta said:
Oh ok – apologies then. I can’t listen to what he said here, so I was just guessing. {Comment #359}

It's OK. It's difficult to put the proper context for quotes, or even to figure out what parts of the contexts need to be posted with the quotes, when under pressure from live commenting. Besides, it passed an otherwise-dull ten minutes ;)

I have to admit it still strikes me as slightly odd that Ian went so far as to give enough information to calculate figures...
11/07/2009 at 09:27:50#443 - Alianora La Canta said:
Piquet remembered to go off. {Comment #385}

I was wondering when that was going to happen. I wonder if there was anyone in the grandstand who was too busy taking notes to see it live?
11/07/2009 at 09:29:19#444 - Alianora La Canta said:
How long until you can buy the campaign T-shirt? {Comment #397}

If someone has contact details for him, I'd be delighted to ask (and to help do the T-shirt design)...
11/07/2009 at 09:32:31#445 - Alianora La Canta said:
If Vatanen submits his 22 first is it Max who has to go away and make the changes? (Well, ignoring the fact that Max would probably fiddle with the mail) {Comment #408}

No, because the list is simply who'd be doing what post-election. If someone appears on both lists I imagine both sides will put a lot of pressure on that individual, but there would be no clashes because a maximum of one of the individuals can be elected into the Presidency at a time.