McLaren Testing at Kemble

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Pedro de la Rosa straight-line testing at Kemble

On a cold and overcast February morning, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes turned up for a spot of straight line testing at Kemble Airport in Gloucestershire. Pedro de la Rosa was at the wheel of the MP4-24 but managed just a couple of runs on a damp track before the car stalled whilst the man performed what appeared to be a practice start. Pedro was duly towed back to the awning.

Pedro de la Rosa being towed at Kemble

Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a "McLaren have '09 aero problems" rumour.

Four McLaren Trucks at Kemble

Maybe the test crew hadn't wound the car up to its maximum, or maybe they were testing something different, but I found the Mercedes engine to be notably quieter than the Renault during a previous test. Aside from the decidedly odd rear wing, which isn't attractive from any angle, the 2009 McLaren was lovely to see up close, although it did look better when running under its own steam.

We also have to say a big thank you to Graham who let us know the Vodafone transporters had arrived. Very much appreciated.

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  • 18/02/2009 at 12:05:04#1 - Jeremy said:

    The front wheel covers look interesting. What is that framework in front of the left hand sidepod?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:05:39#2 - Bassano Clapper said:

    Cool pics

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:24:27#3 - me said:

    anyone know what this device is?

    and is that a bird??

    it's not related to being towed back home, because it was also present during an earlier successful run. never seen anything like that before. any guesses?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:26:36#4 - Christine said:

    and is that a bird??

    That is a bird!!

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:26:49#5 - lou said:

    Looks like a load of cables to me....looks like theyveun through the black tubing...

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:27:50#6 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    anyone know what this device is?

    Mclaren advanced technologies are testing out a perch for aeroplane engines so the birds don't get sucked in ;-)

    Seriously though, I would guess that this device would be used to stabilise the air in a similar way to an endplate or bargeboard, before flowing into the sidepod to measure the maximum airflow through it?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:27:55#7 - me said:

    That is a bird!!

    why is there a bird?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:28:21#8 - lou said:

    Looks like a load of cables to me….looks like theyveun through the black tubing…

    ** looks like they run through the black tubing.

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:30:19#9 - Christine said:

    why is there a bird?

    Having a ride. Wouldn't you?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:30:52#10 - me said:

    Having a ride. Wouldn’t you?

    yes. yes i would :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:32:30#11 - Christine said:

    why is there a bird?

    Unless... it's sitting behind the wheel, so maybe it's measuring the disturbance of the air, perhaps pondering the concept of slipstreaming.

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:40:45#12 - jolly said:

    Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a “McLaren have ‘09 aero problems” rumour.

    LOL :-D

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:42:38#13 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    Of note, McLaren arrived on site yesterday with not one, but four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding. Sounds to me like we need to start a “McLaren have ‘09 aero problems” rumour.

    Didn't you already do that with the "Flow-Vis" thingy?

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:43:14#14 - Christine said:

    Didn’t you already do that with the “Flow-Vis” thingy?

    Ah-ha! The evidence is mounting.

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:49:03#15 - me said:

    the team tried to hide the f1 car as it passed:

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:51:08#16 - me said:

    mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:51:32#17 - Kathi said:

    mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

    Uups.

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:52:13#18 - Kathi said:

    Uups.

    it wasn't me

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:53:07#19 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    mmm, drop.io seems to have gone awol.

    Mclaren are hacking it to get the picture off!

  • 18/02/2009 at 12:54:20#20 - me said:

    it wasn’t me

    :D

    tis back now.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:07:33#21 - Maverick said:

    and is that a bird??

    No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:12:07#22 - me said:

    No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    noted :D

    i figured it might be an early warning system to check for escaping gasses. bmw have their extra sidepods cutouts, while mclaren sacrifice a bird every time pedalo breaks wind.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:13:43#23 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    i figured it might be an early warning system to check for escaping gasses. bmw have their extra sidepods cutouts, while mclaren sacrifice a bird every time pedalo breaks wind.

    Kinda like the Canary in the coal mine?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:14:31#24 - me said:

    Kinda like the Canary in the coal mine?

    exactly, but this time for the crew in the awning.

    bird goes down... ruuuuuun.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:15:28#25 - Alex Andronov said:

    No one understands aerodynamics quite like a bird, seems a perfectly sensible idea to get an opinion - I suggest you add that to the aerodynamics rumour.

    The only problem is that pedalo is really busy trying to find the bablefish translation option of Canary to English!

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:16:54#26 - me said:

    final pic:

    the mobil 1 transporter hiding out back.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:22:46#27 - Maverick said:

    four transporters along with a fifth running Mobil 1 branding

    Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:23:38#28 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

    Are we not being a bit alarmist here or is it just a slow news day?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:24:06#29 - me said:

    Therefore, 20% of their problems are fuel and oil related.

    you're good at this :)

    also, i would like it noted that the team are sharing the same awning as renault. who says f1 team's can't cut costs?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:24:16#30 - me said:

    Are we not being a bit alarmist here or is it just a slow news day?

    or we might be joking?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:24:50#31 - Christine said:

    also, i would like it noted that the team are sharing the same awning as renault. who says f1 team’s can’t cut costs?

    You mean it's not branded? Wasted opportunity!!

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:25:07#32 - me said:

    You mean it’s not branded? Wasted opportunity!!

    nascar would've.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:25:39#33 - Christine said:

    or we might be joking?

    Shhh. GMM'll never fall for it if you say that.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:26:38#34 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:

    or we might be joking?

    Joking? On SPC? Never! :-)

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:27:29#35 - me said:

    Shhh. GMM’ll never fall for it if you say that.

    rats. sorry.

    "mclaren f1 in 2009 fuel problem shocka!!"

    easily fixed :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:28:13#36 - Maverick said:

    News just in from GMM: "Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning."

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:28:46#37 - me said:

    News just in from GMM: “Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning.”

    :D

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:28:58#38 - Flibster said:

    me: 18/02/2009 at 12:24

    anyone know what this device is?

    and is that a bird??
    it’s not related to being towed back home, because it was also present during an earlier successful run. never seen anything like that before. any guesses?

    It looks similar to something we used several years ago when developing the Lola LMP675 car.

    Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:34:05#39 - Maverick said:

    Practicing starts seems an odd way to go about solving their aerodynamic/fuel/bird strike problems.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:34:17#40 - me said:

    Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

    ahh, could well be, cheers.

    i found another interesting one:

    the hole on the left is bigger. the opposite of what we saw in jerez.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:35:20#41 - me said:

    Practicing starts seems an odd way to go about solving their aerodynamic/fuel/bird strike problems.

    i'm not saying that was absolutely what he was doing, but he pulled to a halt at the start of the runway and then couldn't find drive.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:36:19#42 - Becken said:

    Great job, great pics, ME.

    About “aero problems” McLaren didn´t do the same kind of test with the MP4/23 last year in Royal Mahon Flying Club in Menorca, Spain?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:38:20#43 - Maverick said:

    Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:39:33#44 - me said:

    Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

    more likely the dramatic changes to the regulations isn't it?

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:48:16#45 - Kathi said:

    News just in from GMM: “Pigeon reveals that McLaren have aerodynamic problems, some fuel issues and cannot afford their own awning.”

    *looks at you suspiciously*

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:53:03#46 - Jorge said:

    McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    I´m sure.

    REgards

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:53:50#47 - scarbs said:

    I'd love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them - scarbs@scarbsf1.com), I am guessing they are testing to see of the flow off the front wheels correlates to the wind tunnel data.

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:54:07#48 - Maverick said:

    more likely the dramatic changes to the regulations isn’t it?

    Just seem to remember the teams doing a lot more straightline testing once upon a time.

  • 18/02/2009 at 13:55:13#49 - Flibster said:

    scarbs: 18/02/2009 at 13:53

    I’d love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them - scarbs@scarbsf1.com), I am guessing they are testing to see of the flow off the front wheels correlates to the wind tunnel data.
    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    I know you! ;)

    Shame the spammers went to town on the board you used to have.

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:19:45#50 - Jackie said:

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    Formula one always did attract some hot "chicks"

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:21:26#51 - Flibster said:

    Jackie: 18/02/2009 at 14:19

    Curious how the cables appear just like a pigeon!

    Formula one always did attract some hot “chicks”

    *groan* TAXI!

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:22:34#52 - Jackie said:

    *groan* TAXI!

    sniffle sniffle, not going to play this game anymore :(

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:27:21#53 - Maverick said:

    and is that a bird??

    I think someone at McLaren has totally misinterpreted the whole movable wing regulation.

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:28:37#54 - me said:

    McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    REgards

    am sure they will be jorge. if only because they're putting in the hours now.

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:30:35#55 - me said:

    I’d love to see a high res shot of the frame from both angles (can someone contact me about who owns them

    sadly we don't have any, scarbs. that shot is it.

    our camera's pretty old and we're not professionals. the weather was overcast and the car was blocked by the support crew.

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:31:33#56 - Gator said:

    The bird is:

    In a move to implement the cost savings which Bernie has implemented the McMerc engineers are using a bird to determine any vortex's which might induce drag on the new MP4-24.

    It's been determined that regardless of the bird placement the drag coefficient is still rather high and the beatings will continue until the drag coefficient is reduced.

    Git R Done mates!

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:46:01#57 - Stuart C said:

    Flow tester using smoke - have some high speed cameras set up to record whats going on and you can quickly get a result to compare to the wind tunnel and CFD testing.

    Good call. I remember Geoff Willis saying that whenever there's a rule change, your wind tunnel correlation goes out the window.

  • 18/02/2009 at 14:55:08#58 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    Please lets not have any more rumours!! Mclaren's Aero will be fine, I doubt very much a team with their knowledge etc is gonna end up designing a car with aero properties akin to a brick

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:13:18#59 - me said:

    as noted on the autosport forum, there's also some kind of scoop on the underside of the sidepod:

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:19:35#60 - Journeyer said:

    Please lets not have any more rumours!! Mclaren’s Aero will be fine, I doubt very much a team with their knowledge etc is gonna end up designing a car with aero properties akin to a brick

    The MP4-19 of 2004 was most definitely a brick. They needed a B car to recover from that.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:20:48#61 - Steven Roy said:

    the hole on the left is bigger. the opposite of what we saw in jerez.

    Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:22:33#62 - Steven Roy said:

    Is this all just a result of the windtunnel testing limitations? The only way that teams can now go out and test fullsize models is to take the car out for some straightline testing?

    Teams have to keep checking that the results from their wind tunnel and CFD are correct or they end up with a disaster like Renault.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:22:47#63 - me said:

    Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    i like it.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:23:23#64 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    That along with baby KERS is gonna put Max's cost cutting ideas out the window

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:23:31#65 - Steven Roy said:

    McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.

    I expect McLaren to be fastest in Melbourne not just on the pace.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:26:27#66 - Steven Roy said:

    Clearly teams don't have the amount of ballast they used to have due to KERS so if the fit a bird frame to the car for every kg of lift the birds generate they get a kg of free ballast. Of course pit stops will be longer as they have to fit in bird changes.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:27:02#67 - Maverick said:

    Maybe thinking of running a left handed KERS for anti-clockwise tracks

    Suzuka... hmmm...

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:27:29#68 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    McLaren will be on pace in Melbourne.
    I expect McLaren to be fastest in Melbourne not just on the pace.

    Ditto

    From the majority of the testing news so far it seems McLaren had a slight edge of over the other Jerez runners but I expect to see that continued into Melbourne.

    Big surprise for me is how lame the BMW has been, for all their bullish claims about 2009 being their year the car's hardly set the time sheets ablaze so far.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:28:06#69 - Steven Roy said:

    Suzuka… hmmm…

    Two lots of baby KERS?

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:29:34#70 - Steven Roy said:

    Big surprise for me is how lame the BMW has been, for all their bullish claims about 2009 being their year the car’s hardly set the time sheets ablaze so far.

    BMW have a habit of sandbagging so I wouldn't write them off just yet. Although if I am honest I don't think they had as good a season last year as many people seem to think they did.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:38:58#71 - Maverick said:

    Toyota are looking very good at the moment. Definitely a dark horse to watch out for.

    1. Timo Glock (Toyota) 1:32.492
    2. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1:32.917
    3. Nick Heidfeld (BMW Sauber) 1:32.993

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:39:46#72 - me said:

    Toyota are looking very good at the moment. Definitely a dark horse to watch out for.

    ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:40:31#73 - Lukeh said:

    ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

    Now now, one step at a time. Toyota and exciting is a work in progress. ;)

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:41:08#74 - me said:

    Now now, one step at a time. Toyota and exciting is a work in progress.

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:44:54#75 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    BMW have a habit of sandbagging so I wouldn’t write them off just yet. Although if I am honest I don’t think they had as good a season last year as many people seem to think they did.

    I defo agree with you, BMW were good in 2008 but I struggle to think of a single race where on pace they were the best team. Kubica deserved a victory but Canada was a lucky win, I want to see them this year win on pace not on luck.

    Going out on a limb here but I really want Nick Heidfeld to get BMW the success they want this year

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:48:56#76 - Maverick said:

    ooh, i forgot they were still going around. anything exciting happening?

    Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability. Young Glock can't keep up with Trulli though - a mere 132 laps for Toyota today.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:50:12#77 - Lukeh said:

    Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability. Young Glock can’t keep up with Trulli though - a mere 132 laps for Toyota today.

    In Decemeber I randomly joked how I'd bet £10 with someone that Trulli would actually win a race this year. I'm actually starting to wonder back on that, they do seem to be getting the most progress done or so it seems from my point of view, like you said Maverick they may be a dark horse this year.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:51:19#78 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    Gearbox failure for Ferrari this morning. The sand or something really seems to be playing up with their reliability.

    Why do I find that news cheers up my day :-)

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:52:19#79 - me said:

    been digging through anything that might be useful for scarbs, here's a reverse angle which better illustrates the size of the cage:

    a bit grainy and less bird like from there though.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:53:57#80 - Maverick said:

    Are Toyota testing with KERS? They never seem to mention it.

  • 18/02/2009 at 15:59:12#81 - Maverick said:

    Why do I find that news cheers up my day

    You'll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:01:15#82 - Journeyer said:

    You’ll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

    Meh. Better it happens now than during the race weekends. :P

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:04:40#83 - RCC (aka Rockingcopsec... said:

    Why do I find that news cheers up my day

    You’ll love the electrical problem they had at the end of the day then.

    It just gets better!!!

    Massa after driving it for the first time (Mugello) said it was really nice and he felt comfortable etc......Now they're in Bahrain and he's had some running under him he's now saying in Mugello there was handlings problems and he's glad they're now ironed out. So bottom line..don't believe a word!

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:11:30#84 - Steven Roy said:

    been digging through anything that might be useful for scarbs, here’s a reverse angle which better illustrates the size of the cage:

    I still can't see what it is doing. I know Flibster suggested it was blowing smoke and I can see the sense in that but I don't see any smoke nozzles or a smoke container/generator.

    There are no obvious tyre sensors on it and Renault's bar with pressure tranducers is a far more elegant way of doing that.

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:15:52#85 - me said:

    I still can’t see what it is doing. I know Flibster suggested it was blowing smoke and I can see the sense in that but I don’t see any smoke nozzles or a smoke container/generator.

    looks to me like the cables are hanging loose. maybe they hadn't finished setting it up yet? there are enough cables to attach many cameras, but where does the smoke come from?

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:17:21#86 - Jackie said:

    Possible explanation here http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A47618058

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:38:28#87 - Journeyer said:

    Possible explanation here

    Thanks, Jackie. Other than the metal frame explanation, it was interesting how the last commenter (who claimed to be an ex-Jag engineer) explained how Michelin did tyre testing, and how this setup can be used as a loophole by other teams (a 'Mobil' test team running 2008 McLarens with 2009 aero on track, for example).

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:44:30#88 - Maverick said:

    a ‘Mobil’ test team running 2008 McLarens with 2009 aero on track, for example

    That loophole would soon be closed.

  • 18/02/2009 at 16:45:12#89 - Steven Roy said:

    That loophole would soon be closed.

    But USF1 testing a McLaren would not.

  • 18/02/2009 at 17:19:28#90 - YouKnowWho said:

    Looks very like a pressure scanner installation to me....

  • 18/02/2009 at 19:54:57#91 - Andy Taylor said:

    The real question we need to ask is: Where was Franck while me was at the airfield? :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:12:29#92 - Kyle Watt said:

    How do you post pics please.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:14:03#93 - Steven Roy said:

    Go to http://drop.io/sidepodcast

    Click add
    Then add files and after that it is easy.

    Any problems just holler

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:19:25#94 - Kyle Watt said:
  • 18/02/2009 at 20:21:01#95 - Jon Waldock said:

    Is the bird dead? seems like theres a bit of red-ness on it.....

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:21:02#96 - Kyle Watt said:

    Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:21:35#97 - Steven Roy said:

    Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:21:37#98 - me said:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/dsc00395-jpg

    brilliant kyle, thank you :)

    did you see much running today?

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:22:06#99 - RG said:

    Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    You can't yet, but Mr C is adding that feature soon to the commentry things.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:22:21#100 - me said:

    Sorry I cant work out how to put the pic visable here.

    the least we can do :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:22:42#101 - Jon Waldock said:

    I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

    WOOOOOOOOOOOW THATS SO COOL!!!

    i am easy pleased!!

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:23:21#102 - me said:

    I clicked on the link and the pic popped up

    only in:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/

    at the moment. across the rest of the site soon though.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:23:39#103 - RG said:

    the least we can do

    McLaren look like the gloomiest team of the year.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:26:34#104 - Kyle Watt said:

    Yes it was a busy day there, but a few hiccups with the car ment it was not out as much as it should have been.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:28:28#105 - Steven Roy said:

    Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:29:11#106 - me said:

    Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    on me way.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:29:19#107 - lou said:

    Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    am gonna watch :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:30:39#108 - me said:

    Yes it was a busy day there, but a few hiccups with the car ment it was not out as much as it should have been.

    they didn't seem to do as much running as renault had previously, hopefully the team managed to find some good info.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:34:30#109 - Steven Roy said:

    am gonna watch

    Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:34:57#110 - RG said:

    Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:36:21#111 - lou said:

    Remember no cheating on identica unless you are sure of the answer.

    haha. you don't need to cheat. your the one that always knows the answer :P

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:37:07#112 - Christine said:

    Still a few minutes for anyone to join the quiz @ http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/chat.php

    Rats. Just started sorting out Diary for this week. That's a shame. Enjoy the freakishly hard questions :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:37:36#113 - Steven Roy said:

    haha. you don’t need to cheat. your the one that always knows the answer

    I didn't last week. It's difficult to cheat anyway as Mr C, Ollie and Jackie are all on identica

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:39:56#114 - lou said:

    Rats. Just started sorting out Diary for this week. That’s a shame. Enjoy the freakishly hard questions

    haha :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:52:16#115 - Alianora La Canta said:

    I know Q8 :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:53:07#116 - lou said:

    I know Q8

    based on question 9, i think Steven may win this. lol

  • 18/02/2009 at 20:55:14#117 - Alianora La Canta said:

    In fact I discovered I know quite a few of them - but don't know how I'm supposed to decipher the CAPTCHA to actually enter the quiz in the first place :(

  • 18/02/2009 at 21:00:56#118 - Steven Roy said:

    based on question 9, i think Steven may win this. lol

    I guess you didn't read my comment on that one then :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 21:27:27#119 - Jeremy said:

    The black tube on the framework looks like a riding crop. Maybe it's a 'driver management system'?

  • 18/02/2009 at 21:38:52#120 - Steven Roy said:

    The black tube on the framework looks like a riding crop. Maybe it’s a ‘driver management system’?

    Has Max lost his.

  • 18/02/2009 at 22:31:29#121 - Alianora La Canta said:

    Luckily there was an e-mail system, so I was able to submit something. Not sure what my score is yet.

  • 18/02/2009 at 22:33:26#122 - Jackie said:

    Luckily there was an e-mail system, so I was able to submit something. Not sure what my score is yet.

    I believe you got 24.5 :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 22:37:26#123 - me said:

    I believe you got 24.5

    ooh. what did i... ahh. never mind :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:02:52#124 - jolly said:

    Right where is Mr Sidepodcast?

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:04:32#125 - me said:

    Right where is Mr Sidepodcast?

    you rang?

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:05:53#126 - jolly said:

    :-)

    your supposed to list your answers out not say how many you got

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:06:08#127 - Andy Taylor said:

    you rang?

    Now that's service!

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:06:57#128 - me said:

    Now that’s service!

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:07:26#129 - jolly said:

    Quiz answers and results
    http://www.pit...=636&p=4725#p4725

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:07:35#130 - me said:

    your supposed to list your answers out not say how many you got

    yeah but... how could i have missed them when they were that big?

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:10:32#131 - jolly said:

    yeah but… how could i have missed them when they were that big?

    Not every one got them all

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:11:38#132 - RG said:

    Not every one got them all

    Did I get one wrong?

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:11:43#133 - me said:

    Not every one got them all

    wtf?

    gimmie two mins, i have to make you a video.

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:14:08#134 - jolly said:

    Did I get one wrong?

    No you got them all right

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:16:00#135 - RG said:

    No you got them all right

    Phew, thought you may have mixed something up when I said speaker...

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:17:49#136 - me said:

    No you got them all right

    here be the problem illustrated:

    http://drop.io...set/easy-i-spy-f1-m4v

    recommend you download to see in high-res. i clicked on your links, they opened in x2 tabs, i flicked between tabs and the answer was right there.

    i would be impossible to not get 5 right at that resolution unless i managed to blink at exactly the wrong moment everytime :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:19:36#137 - me said:

    my advantage has been knobbled. now i'll never beat rg :(

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:20:44#138 - lou said:

    here be the problem illustrated:</blockquote
    yay! i got them right :)

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:21:05#139 - me said:

    yay! i got them right

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:21:07#140 - RG said:

    my advantage has been knobbled. now i’ll never beat rg

    Bwahahahahaha hahahaha haha ha

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:26:12#141 - jolly said:

    i would be impossible to not get 5 right at that resolution unless i managed to blink at exactly the wrong moment everytime :)

    What do you guys think? should we believe him?

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:27:52#142 - me said:

    What do you guys think? should we believe him?

    :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:33:14#143 - jolly said:

    :-D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:40:26#144 - lou said:

    What do you guys think? should we believe him?

    get mr c to make the same kinda video for the spot the difference next week and give it to all who are taking part.... see how well they do... :D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:44:42#145 - Dan Brunell said:

    I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but an update on the "Logo Website." This what is now on the page.

    Ken Anderson, Peter Windsor and all at USF1 would like to thank everyone for the amazing response we have received since news first broke about our project on February 4, 2009.

    Proving that American technology, American drivers and the American competitive spirit can compete and win on the F1 global stage has been our mission for several years now. And, judging by the overwhelming response we have received from F1 fans both in the US and worldwide, from within the F1 industry and from the US hi-tech industry, we think that many of you agree with us.

    We will be officially announcing the team in a special show on Speed TV on February 24 at 13:00 EST.

    Interesting. I think I will be setting my DVR.

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:49:19#146 - jolly said:

    get mr c to make the same kinda video for the spot the difference next week and give it to all who are taking part…. see how well they do… :D

    Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos :-D

  • 18/02/2009 at 23:51:35#147 - me said:

    Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos

    yay!

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:05:03#148 - Maverick said:

    Will have to make sure the spot the difference picture is better quality next week and not give him the big photos

    Or join the big photos together into a single image so you can't flick between them (tabs are great aren't they?)

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:11:50#149 - jolly said:

    (tabs are great aren’t they?)

    another one!

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:36:47#150 - Alianora La Canta said:

    I believe you got 24.5 {Comment #123}

    Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    And I might have got 25 if I hadn't spelt Mr Baumgartner's first name wrong...

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:38:02#151 - RG said:

    Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    You finished higher than Me, me, Ollie (by 0.5) and someone else

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:38:04#152 - Flibster said:

    Back to that strange frame....

    *evening btw... Just got back from the IMAX. The Dark Knight again - also booked for Watchmen ;) *

    There's some degree of chunkyness to the frame itself. If it was just supporting something there would be no need for it to be a frame using sheet around an inch and a half wide...

    There may be some flow conditioning going on.

    Still have no real idea though

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:38:24#153 - Alianora La Canta said:

    My answers:

    1 Salo
    2 1967's (Hulme)
    3 ?
    4 Monaco 1996
    5 Clay Reggazoni
    6 Ferrari
    7 ?
    8 Pierluigi Martini
    9 ?
    10 Villnueve, Montoya, Mansell, Fittipaldi
    11 Zsolt Baumgartner
    12 Six wheels
    13 Sauber
    14 Ralf Schumacher
    15 No sponsor on Piquet Jr's helmet, no "crease" in side of monocoque, engineer's glove stetches further, more precise tip on rear of camera, lion on engine cover appears to be pouting
    16 Mike Hawthorn
    17 McLaren, Brabham, ?
    18 Massa and Jacques Villenueve
    19 Andrea Moda (and also for putting the sport into disrepute)
    20 Gordon Murray
    21 Jacky Ickx
    22 Michael Schumacher
    23 Britain (10)
    24 McLaren MP4-23, Ferrari F2009(K), Toyota TF108, BMW F1.09, Red Bull RB5, Toro Rosso TR4
    25 Imola

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:39:39#154 - RG said:

    You did spell Zsolt Baumgartner's name right fully.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:40:25#155 - Flibster said:

    And I might have got 25 if I hadn’t spelt Mr Baumgartner’s first name wrong…

    Aka... HWNSNBM!

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:40:50#156 - me said:

    There may be some flow conditioning going on.

    this was scarbs conclusions on the autosport forum:

    http://forums....d=3481993#post3481993

    that ring true with you?

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:41:50#157 - me said:

    that ring true with you?

    oh, and this one:

    http://forums....d=3482067#post3482067

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:43:24#158 - me said:

    i love this quote:

    "The frame is the mounting bracket for an array of hot-wire anemometers, which (although not fitted in the picture) will each be measuring the airspeed as it comes off the front of the wheel. This is usually done in a full-scale tunnel, but thanks the FIA's brilliant cost-saving plans, they now need to do it on tarmac"

    nice one!

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:46:35#159 - Andy Taylor said:

    Still can't quote characters in italics, but I'm wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:46:41#160 - Bassano Clapper said:

    *evening btw… Just got back from the IMAX. The Dark Knight again - also booked for Watchmen *

    Just booked my Watchmen IMAX tickets too about half an hour ago

    :D :) :D

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:48:09#161 - me said:

    Still can’t quote characters in italics

    fixed on my dev machine, release thurs or fri.

    I’m wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

    more fun for us though isn't it? look what we've learned today.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:48:44#162 - Steven Roy said:

    Still can’t quote characters in italics, but I’m wondering how taking 4+1 articulated lorries full of gear to an airfield is less expensive than running some tests in a wind tunnel.

    It isn't but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:50:31#163 - me said:

    It isn’t but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    i see these restrictions as a good thing.

    max is bringing f1 closer to the fans. what's the point of doing this locked inside a wind tunnel 24/7. good to see the cars getting out there and making some noise ;)

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:50:37#164 - Bassano Clapper said:

    I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    :D

    Extreme Close Up!

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:53:23#165 - Flibster said:

    me: 19/02/2009 at 00:50

    It isn’t but they can only run 60% scale in a windtunnel whereas they can runn 200% scale in a test if they build a car big enough. I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    i see these restrictions as a good thing.
    max is bringing f1 closer to the fans. what’s the point of doing this locked inside a wind tunnel 24/7. good to see the cars getting out there and making some noise

    With the testing ban?

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:53:55#166 - me said:

    With the testing ban?

    shhh. i hadn't thought that though.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:57:41#167 - Flibster said:

    that ring true with you?

    Sounds sensible.

    Not seen it used before myself, but if it's normally done in a wind tunnel that'd be why. Never set foot in a 100% scale wind tunnel. Only used small ones and a very small supersonic one.

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:58:49#168 - glennjimin said:

    I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed.

    would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

  • 19/02/2009 at 00:59:08#169 - me said:

    would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

    :D

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:00:31#170 - Steven Roy said:

    would the drivers have to wear a 200% scale helmet?

    The could have a helmet shaped cockpit bubble.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:00:39#171 - Alianora La Canta said:

    Aka… HWNSNBM! {Comment #156}

    Ah, how to spot a fellow F1 Rejects reader ;)

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:01:44#172 - Flibster said:

    Ah, how to spot a fellow F1 Rejects reader

    Yup. :D It's one of my most anticipated post race podcasts - just for the amount of comedy in it.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:02:55#173 - Alianora La Canta said:

    I wonder if testing restrictions apply if you build a 200% scale car since it does not comply with the tech regs maybe it is allowed. {Comment #163}

    Probably not, since it doesn't specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they'd probably get away with it though.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:06:57#174 - Steven Roy said:

    Probably not, since it doesn’t specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they’d probably get away with it though.

    So they either have to build a big car or make a small one and find a quick dwarf. If he is going to be an F1 driver I suppose it should be Grumpy

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:11:34#175 - Flibster said:

    Probably not, since it doesn’t specify in the regulations that a vehicle must comply with the technical regulations to be classed as counting towards the testing limitation. If it was sufficiently different in other ways, they’d probably get away with it though.

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It's not F1 testing. ;)

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:13:07#176 - Andy Taylor said:

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules? :)

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:13:59#177 - Steven Roy said:

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    Piquet did that in F3. Put different tyres on the car so it complied with another formula and got a lot of extra testing.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:14:01#178 - me said:

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    :)

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:17:26#179 - me said:

    You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules?

    could the teams not get together, exploit the rules as one and maybe book themselves a track for a week.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:19:56#180 - Flibster said:

    Andy Taylor: 19/02/2009 at 01:13

    Or stick the engine, gearbox and cooling into a GT car and pound it round a track. It’s not F1 testing.

    You know what I said yesterday about exploiting the rules?

    McLaren are building a new roadcar.

    How ideal a chance is it for them. ;) Spend a few days at the 'ring and rags the nuts of it. :D

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:20:40#181 - Bassano Clapper said:

    could the teams not get together, exploit the rules as one and maybe book themselves a track for a week.

    Sorry, you lost me at Teams, followed by Get Together

    This is F1, I think you have the wrong website! :D

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:21:21#182 - me said:

    This is F1, I think you have the wrong website!

    ahh.

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:21:50#183 - Bassano Clapper said:

    Spend a few days at the ‘ring and rags the nuts of it.

    Is that equivalent to 'going full bananas'?

  • 19/02/2009 at 01:26:42#184 - Flibster said:

    Bassano Clapper: 19/02/2009 at 01:21

    Spend a few days at the ‘ring and rags the nuts of it.

    Is that equivalent to ‘going full bananas’?

    Pretty much.

  • 19/02/2009 at 03:57:30#185 - von Felge said:

    I am sorry that I saw this so late - Arizona USA timezone.
    I really think the cage work on the car is preparation for a video camera. I bet they were testing the rigging prior to putting a Hi Def camera at risk. Methinks a very cool Hi Def promotional video will be shot soon.
    Just my two cents, Alec

  • 19/02/2009 at 04:06:15#186 - Steven Roy said:

    Hi Alec

    There are a couple of guys I have read who are F1 engineers and they say it is a frame to hold air pressure and speed measuring equipment but they did not have that equiment on the frame because it doesn't work unless the weather is dry.

  • 19/02/2009 at 12:36:47#187 - YouKnowWho said:

    Yes, That would be what it is for. The tubes are normally connected to a pressure scanner which has a number of inputs (64 is not uncommon) and samples them in order creating a pressure map across the area of interest. Similar to using a pressure tapped floor.

    I agree that it can be used to corellate cfd /WT data to real car data...

    But (having had a good amount of experience) the flow vis, combined with running the 2008 rear wing and now this leads me to suspect that they are trying to track down a performance issue.

    Either is equally likely at the moment.

  • 19/02/2009 at 12:42:22#188 - jolly said:

    Alianora La Canta said:

    I believe you got 24.5 {Comment #123}

    Thanks for that, Jackie! Is that any good in terms of scores?

    And I might have got 25 if I hadn’t spelt Mr Baumgartner’s first name wrong…

    That is a an excellent score Alianora :-D Imagine what you would have got if you'd had me's video.
    Gave you a full point for Q11 - 1/2 point was for Q23 ;-)

  • 19/02/2009 at 12:46:31#189 - Bassano Clapper said:

    But (having had a good amount of experience) the flow vis, combined with running the 2008 rear wing and now this leads me to suspect that they are trying to track down a performance issue.

    Interesting...

  • 23/02/2009 at 23:52:13#190 - Angel said:

    [redacted]

    FORZA ALONSO. ALONSO WORLD F1 CHAMPIONSHIP

  • 23/02/2009 at 23:54:43#191 - me said:

    [redacted]

    angel, we appreciate your comment, but we cant be having language like that. pls keep it clean, thanks.

  • 02/03/2009 at 19:59:45#192 - Kyle Watt said:

    New pic Uploaded

  • 02/03/2009 at 21:45:50#193 - me said:

    New pic Uploaded

    thank you kyle. i'll embed it too:


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